Dune

Wait, Horus?

Horus Heresy.

Horus turns on the Emperor when he sees the future of 40K and its a religious tyranny of ignorance as well as oppression.

Due to Horus's own actions. The Imperium as the Emperor envisioned would have been a utopia of free, logical thought that would have eventually cut humanity off from the Warp entirely and starved the Chaos gods into impotency.

In theory of course, given that he build that in a genocide of galatic scale.....hard to said.

you can said the diferent between leto and the emperor is that we know mostly why leto did what it did, the same cant be said by the emperor.

Except we know by Word of God that the Emperor utterly misunderstood the Warp. Its not religion that feeds the Chaos Gods, it's EMOTION. That's why the Necrons removed all of their emotions. The only way to starve Chaos would be destroy humanity as thinking emotional beings.

Even then, its only one galaxy out of a universe of Chaos.

Mind you, Chaos is Blue-and-Orange Morality not evil. The Emperor is much closer to that as the embodiment of fascism.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 8th 2021 at 7:12:08 AM

I'm sorry, is this still about Dune?

nope,this now the warhammer 40,000 lore topic!

It's kind of sad how Leto II both wants a personal connection with his sister's descendant and the Duncan Idaho ghola(s) yet also needs them to hate him enough to want to kill him. It's a microcosm of the inner conflict Leto II has concerning the Golden Path. He still yearns for human connection because he's still a human being despite everything, but he has to reject it for the Golden Path to succeed.

And this is nothing compared to how conflicted he felt when the Ixians presented him with Hwi Noree, their tailor-made Honey Trap ambassador.

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2021 at 11:48:32 PM

It's easy to think of Leto II as a monster because, well, he is a monster. But he also commits the ultimate act of self-sacrifice: condemning himself to thousands of years without human connections, trapped in a body that will ultimately destroy his mind, experiencing the kind of boredom that only a true prescient can know, expecting to be reviled, all to save humanity from itself.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 8th 2021 at 10:51:29 AM

Leto II at least admitted to being a monster. Part of why he ultimately stays on the Golden Path is that he came to the conclusion that he didn't really deserve a happy ending after everything he did in the past 3,500 years even if it was for the sake of averting humanity's extinction.

Heck, the happiest moment of his life was arguably when it all ended. He was finally free of his hellish existence and he got to be Together in Death with the woman who reminded him he was human.

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2021 at 11:54:42 PM

Yes. Leto II demonstrates a truth, or at least an idea that Herbert wished to convey. The only way to right a wrong is to fully atone for it, to the farthest depths of the past. The parallel to religious concepts of a savior or messiah who dies to atone for humanity's sins is not accidental.

I sometimes feel like the Dune series (the main books anyway) can be split into two arcs.

• Books 1~4 are the Kwisatz Haderach arc. The first four books are all about the rise and fall of two prophets set up to be messiahs, with the ultimate message being "fuck messiahs".

• Books 5 and 6 are the Bene Gesserit arc. These books are about the BG Sisterhood picking up the pieces left behind by Leto II and trying to find their way in an uncertain future.

Edited by M84 on Nov 9th 2021 at 12:07:08 AM

I and many other fans have often said that there's no need to read beyond God Emperor of Dune. Especially since Herbert himself didn't live to complete the story arc he began in Heretics. My personal "Dune Canon" is books 1-4 plus the Dune Encyclopedia. I've never been all that interested in the Brian Herbert sequels.

On I side note, I saw the movie over the weekend, and was very impressed.

Leto II has shades of Moses now that I think about it, leading his people to a Promised Land but being unworthy to enter it himself. He can't even see what the Golden Path will look like for humanity since the Golden Path was specifically meant to ensure someone like him cannot look into it with prescience.

Double post for slight topic shift:

So I've been looking up various illustrations of Leto II online. It's actually pretty interesting that there are so many different takes on what a sandworm human hybrid would look like.

So a question to y'all: what's your favorite Leto II pic? I kind of lean towards the original cover of God Emperor of Dune that has a giant sandworm with a giant human face in its mouth.

Oh, this is a good one.

“Whoever was tasked with legal research at Spice DAO seems to have bungled it badly,” says Wired Magazine. Seems fair, given that Spice DAO spent $3 million to buy a book related to Dune (the production book for a previously planned movie version), apparently believing this would give it some sort of copyright allowing it to create derivative works. What it actually owns is a book. The company, which is some sort of crypto thing, has since denied that it believed it was buying intellectual property rights, although that doesn’t explain why it paid $3 million for a book. But then no one can explain crypto, either, at least not to me.

And I heard some of them want to burn the book because they think it will make the tokens they got from it more valuable.

Heard from where?

This user on Twitter shared a screencap of somebody suggesting just that.

This article from Esquire also mentions plans to burn the book:

"These spiceheads had big plans to convert the book into NFTs, burn the physical copy, and adapt the story into an animated series."

Several articles have also noted that the book's contents are already available online for free.

Really this just cements how idiotic the whole crypto and NFT thing is. Nobody buying into this market actually understands what they're doing or how it works.

I mean you don't have to if you sell to idiots.

Cryptocurrencies are a fancy new ridiculous commodity masquerading as a currency. NFTs are a flat-out scam with some fancy tech attached.

I think someone said in a joking manner but is actually true that cryptocurrency reminded us that currencies have value if they're backed up by something tangible: either a government, gold, or silver.

In Cryptocurrency, they succeed when they're backed up by drugs. Drugs and people who think its an investment allow it to function economically.

:)

Yeah, its entire appeal is that it can't be traced and isn't regulated. But as it's getting more prominent, governments will start to take notice and go about regulating it and the value will plummet and kill the market, probably.

It's the tulip bubble all over again. Someday these people will all realize they're only paying for a digital signature that says they own something, not an actual thing they own, and the whole market will collapse.