Once Upon A Time

You know, I've never thought I would ever calm David or Mary-Margaret half-hearted but.....

~Is Bricked~

So Henry remembers Regina is his mom, and well everything else, but it was getting kind of awkward and sad with her acting like his mom, but him not knowing she was, also we met the Gelinda the Good Witch or however you spell it

So Dorothy, yeah that might be why.

Dorothy is a 1920s Kansas farmgirl who works for Merlin, traveling all the realms to collect items of powerful light magic, like Excalibur.

... What? It's completely obvious.

Dorothy is Henry's twin sister, but this is only discovered after they fall in love.

For a moment I thought they would have Snow give her whole heart to charming and living only because of her unborn childs heart.

I thought our prince was just going to drop dead... Honestly... Ugh. That screamed of Deus Ex.

I don't think so. Other than the fact Charming obviously didn't die, it works in the context of the situation and story. And its better than the Boob Blue Fairy or Glinda just bringing him back to life.

edited 29th Apr '14 7:12:10 AM by Cross

On another note, Henry seems to hit puberty. About time

I feel like it didn't work because I knew for the 10 mins that they want us to be shocked that Princey died, He can't possibly be dead because he's alive a year later. If he died, it would have been more shocking and certainly more interesting than this 'Split My Heart' thing which wasn't previously established to even be possible.

I admit, that whole heart splitting thing was something they probably should have established earlier (though they did foreshadow it earlier in the episode, and this troper realized it right when Emma asked how they were both still alive, but there should have been earlier clues in the series.

On a different note, something on the Once Upon a Time page (either Fridge Brilliance or Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming) made me realize why Regina still has her emotions despite removing her own heart. The others hid it away, or had it taken. Regina gave it away....to Robin Hood.

She literally gave him her heart.

I actually did start believing that Charming might be dead. It had me wondering if we were in for a big twist, where the Charming in the present was a Tomato in the Mirror. Maybe another flying monkey or something. A sleeper agent of some fashion for Zelena.

I admit to having been relieved when this turned out to not be the case.

edited 29th Apr '14 10:06:06 AM by TobiasDrake

Same here.

It doesn't bother me that it wasn't previously established since, from what I remember, it doesn't go against what we already knew.

My feeling was that Regina was about to work on some black magic so that Charming could stay alive until they break the curse, so to counter the witch's plan to make them distracted looking for Charming. And so Charming was about to drop dead.

Then Regina was hurt a bit more than usual by that monkey attack, and then I thought for a second, maybe Regina made a sacrifice so that it is she who drops dead.

I think using two half hearts is a bit convoluted but nothing that goes against the show's laws. Basically hearts are known to be able to do mind control, necromancery, remote control murder, tracking, and spying, so why not this.

edited 29th Apr '14 3:54:43 PM by nairoxev

Personally, I don't see the difference between splitting it in half and crushing it. I also feel like, if this was a previously established thing FOR THE CHARACTERS, why did no one consider this earlier so there'd be less drama?

Also, generally, it feels like they keep wanting to kill of Charming. The deadly poison from Neverland? The Heart Crushing here? I really keep thinking they want to kill him off but never have the guts to do so.

It wasn't an established thing, pretty sure even Regina said that. Snow was just willing to take a gamble based on something Charming said.

It might be some kind of in-joke.

The half-heart makes sense for me because it plays with the metaphysics of love, the most powerful magic. Half of Snow's heart in Regina or Hook probably would just kill both her and whoever the recipient was, but it can sustain her and Charming because True Love.

I am a little disappointed that being powered by Snow's heart doesn't seem to have affected Charming in any way, though. In my household, as soon as Charming woke up, someone commented, "Why do I suddenly want to wear floofy dresses?"

I'm getting tired of 'Becuz twu wuv' being the explanation for EVERYTHING! Its lazy at this point. I don't remember any previous comments even suggesting the idea that a heart could be split in two. And there doesn't seem to be any draw backs to this either??? They've been acting perfectly fine all season so... The writer's needed to redo the Dark Curse and didn't know how without killing someone.

Also, was Ava really EVIL??? I mean, sure, selfish motivations are certainly there, but where exactly was she wrong? Cora WAS with child of someone else, that she hid from her fiancé, and was paying off the dead beat with fortunes that were not her's. I feel like we're supposed to sympathize with Cora... But Ava isn't wrong.

She wasn't evil, but she was a self-serving, arrogant bitch.

Once Upon a Time frequently deconstructs the concept of Good and Evil. The villain of one story is the Tragic Hero of another. Everyone has a reason for what they do, whether it's how they were raised or something that seems entirely justified from their perspective. Nobody's just evil.

edited 29th Apr '14 4:52:49 PM by TobiasDrake

If their justification is inherently selfish, I would say they're still just evil *obnoxious cough*Peter Pan*obnoxious cough*

I wouldn't say that Once deconstructs the ideas of good and evil. Typically, its very clear who is good and who is bad, with Regina being one exception and that one still bothers me from time to time considering the number of people she's killed a long the way, yet she always gets redemption after redemption even though the 'villains' seem like less threatening.

However, they've gotten better with her and I haven't thought of that recently with her. Just wish it had happened sooner.

WELL Ava is bad in that case, because she's being a self serving, holier than thou, slut shamer. That's what really makes me angry, the tinge of slut shaming to the whole ordeal. I don't think she was labeled "Evil", rather a good person who used to be really shit. The real question here is how did she change?

And I do think Once Upon A Time does deconstruct good and evil, maybe not to the same degree as say, Game Of Thrones, but there is a level to it. I agree with Tobias.

edited 30th Apr '14 5:27:30 PM by iamthecircle

... I dunno... Claiming you're not pregnant, so you can(theoretically) pass off someone else's kid as your fiance's(after you get married)... That person probably deserves a little shaming.

What makes what Eva did wrong is that she didn't do it for Leopold. She did it for herself, and to further antagonize Cora...

edited 30th Apr '14 5:44:44 PM by Swish

If I read this correctly on our screwed up timeline, This is the first time Ava has met Cora, so I don't think its entirely just to antagonize her... *shrug*

I disagree still. I think it gets close to every once and awhile, but Once keeps falling on a very black and white scale in regards to the characters. Charming and Snow are good. Cora, Zelina, and Pan are evil. And it almost never changes from this; a character is good or evil and almost never morally ambiguous and it doesn't always stem from the characters actions, but how the show treats the characters; such as Regina killing a crap ton of people, but always getting a second chance, while other characters who have done LESS than she has are treated as a threat.

Like, there are scenes where the show wants us to feel bad for the town not trusting Regina, but... Why SHOULD they trust her? She wants the town to trust her, they don't, she gets pisses, pulls a Let Me Be Evil, and then gets upset when the town doesn't trust her again. They got better with this during Season 3, but it still got absurd during Seasons 1 and 2.

Possible. I've given up on trying to figure out the timeline of "before the first curse"... I figured this all happened between Cora/Eva meeting in King Xavier's castle and the ball for Prince Henry... But it ultimately doesn't matter.

Examples? Preferably more than one...

I ask because I can't think of anyone that has done less than Regina, and gets treated worse than her...

Captain Hook gets a lot of crap thrown at him time after time 'Because he's a Pirate'. I really wish the recap pages were more complete for easy reference. A lot of the drama in Neverland was 'Emma, don't trust him! He's a pirate and that means he's EEEEEVVVVVIIILLLL!'. But I can't think of much he's done to actually deserve such treatment except for from Rumple since there was the whole wife stealing drama.

If I remember correctly, the only reason Emma left him in the Giant's kingdom in S2 was 'buz ur Captain Hook' rather than anything he actually did...

But, I could be misremembering things since the recap pages aren't complete at all.