Once Upon A Time

He looks like an emo.

Also, I just LOVE Ruby. Great Character

edited 22nd Oct '12 11:02:46 PM by ZheToralf

When Rumple killed his ex- wife he made it clear that it was because of Baelfire (or at least that's the excuse he used). Killing is not justified at all, but I think it was less about Rumple and more about Bael. Either way, yeah Belle's Stockholm syndrome will only bring her trouble in the time coming. But Rumple was under the effect of the dark one's powers. In this world magic is looking like some sort of drug. Wonder if Gold will detox himself and learn to avoid the use of magic. That will have to be a pre-condition for redemption if that is what the show really wants to do.

I think that the writers intended these events as a Black-and-Gray Morality thing. Sure Wife leaving her son in order to cheat with a random pirate is not justified but of course killing by cruel spell is completely evil. To me, neither characater has a good moral balance.

I personally think Rumple is better as a villain. The kind of b*astard you love to hate.

edited 23rd Oct '12 5:02:27 AM by nairoxev

To be fair, Rumplestilkin's wife could very well have been suffering from Stockholm Syndrome as well.

I know Bish pirates are fashionable these times, but I am not sure how I feel about them making Hook one.

revenge for Baefire. Killing his mom doesn't actually help Bae at all.

As long as it does not get in the way of the character, I will tolerate it.

I kinda think Hook is really hot, and to be honest, the fact is, Hook is based on Pirates of a very specific era. That wig is era specific. It would not gel well with the mythos AT ALL

With everyone mentioning Baelfire, it needs to be noted that Rumplestiltskin left him too, and with far less excuse. (Which I think is deliberate - when he's telling his wife what a terrible person she is for leaving Bae, you can read a fair amount of self-hatred in there too.)

His wife's decision is very understandable - she was trapped in a town with a husband who she didn't love and who everyone else despised, and he wasn't willing to leave the place. (And it's notable that people tend to be much, much harder on women who leave their children than on men who do the same.) And even if she was wrong, it doesn't make him murdering her remotely justifiable. It wasn't to achieve anything; it was purely for spite, because she left.

He is not, in any way, relationship material.

I still think it's not understandable to simply leave her child. She should have told Bael or taken him (though that would be dangerous). Of course, that still doesn't justify being killed.

I just realized: Mr. French drew Belle with huge GREEN eyes in the poster. Hum...

I'd love to see Mr. get a magical detox, but the end of the episode showe dhe's far from turning a new leaf given the situation with Smea. Maybe Belle being in danger because of the evil he has done (Hook after revenge?) might shake him up and give him a push towards that.

Killing isn't really justifiable from a normal morality sure, but on the sliding scale of bad things Rumple's done it doesn't even crack the top ten, particularly in his own point of view. Milah was as low as they come, she kind of had it coming. That doesn't make it right, but it's easier to forgive.

Also, it's not really right to compare Belle and Milah. Rumple killed Milah primarily for hurting Bae, the same as he did with the cart driver from last season, and he would anyone else that tried. But even if Belle somehow hurt Bae, I doubt Rumple could kill her. There was no love between him and Milah by her admission, Belle genuinely loves Rumple and he her.

What's the trope name for parent that doesn't even know how daughter/son looks like?

When Belle kissed Rumpel the first time she almost made him lose his magic...which would make it impossible for him to find Bael. So she might not have hurt Bael, but she almost made him and Rumpel never meet again, which is why I'm surprised he didn't lose it worst than he did. And you said exactly what I wanted when i mentioned comparing the two: Rumpel never really loved his wife.

Rumple was willing to go to the pirates to get his wife back... He may not have been willing to kill someone(or, more likely, die) for Milah, but that doesn't mean he didn't love her...

Well, he loved her then. But after finding out the truth? I doubt it.

Let's see this out of context: A man finds out the wife who abandoned him and his son lied about getting captured and wanted him to believe shes dead. when she tells him she ran away on purpose because she did not love him, he killer her. Sounds like a valid motive for murder in any crime show.

This is not a crime show however. I also believe, that the dark one's powers corrupt you and make you more evil than before, or evil in the first place. To put it simple, barring his cowardice, I doubt Rumple would have killed his wife pre-curse. Yes he is evil, but its my believe that his evil is at least part because of the curse on him, contrary to Maridee.

edited 23rd Oct '12 2:55:44 PM by ZheToralf

I think Rumples behavior needs to be seperated into at least three categories: Pre- Dark One, Dark One and Mr. Gold. Perhaps a fourth now that the magic has returned, at least until we see how much if at all he goes back to the Dark One.

Whale/ Fankenstein will attempt to return to his original world (assuming it's not the Enchanted World) and inadvertantly summon Dracula to Storybrooke.

I think it's part of his slide downhill, where Rumple does these really spiteful, perverse things. Like killing people who barely injured Bae, or addicting Regina to magic, or turning Gaston into a rose and giving him to Belle. It really doesn't benefit Bae in any way, only appeases his ego.

It's a valid motive, but it doesn't make it any more justifiable. The question in court would never be whether or not she deserved to be murdered; it would be whether or not she was murdered. Milah's level of sympathizability doesn't change that what happened to her was wrong.

Hey, question. Who do you think sent Bae the Storybrooke postcard? My money's on the Blue Fairy.

Wait, so it's oficial that that was Bae? Either the Blue Fairy or Regina. Hope it's the Blue Fairy, there's something about her that makes me refuse to accept she's so good...

I can't think of who it would be other than Bae.

Grown up Peter Pan, Robin hood, King Arthur, Merlin, Simba as a human, Wizard of Oz etc.

I guess I just think it's too obvious to be Bae and I think it's strange he never tried to contact his father.

What I want to know first is who is breeding/keeping carrier pidgeons in that town. Because it's either that or someone used magic to bring that man that message in a time where supposedly only Rumpel could use it. So: a) someone with carrier pidgeons b) someone has lied about their abilities c)Rumpel sent that message so that's not Bae. Choice a) would probably mean it's someone we don't know yet right?

edited 23rd Oct '12 5:54:21 PM by Fabelyn

y4 Oh don't get me wrong, killing her was not justified. I just wanted to say that I can why he did it, since it could also happen in real life. Its not something that only Rumple could do (magic aside).

edited 23rd Oct '12 11:17:50 PM by ZheToralf

We don't know that Bae knew that Storybrooke existed, or that his father was in his world. He's had years to come to terms with the fact that his dad let him go so he could have magic. For all we know, he's moved on, has a family and job and future. In a world without magic, there isn't a way to get to other worlds.

...Yeah, it happens a lot. There's a reason one of the first people the police will look at in a case of murder is the spouse. But if he wanted to make Milah suffer - if he wanted her pain - killing is just too quick.

Or maybe that's just my Princess Bride sensibilities talking.

Hm, I just noticed that I accidentally a word.

Also, while rewatching some Belle and Rumple on Youtube I hade a Fridge!. He fell in love with her because she Gave up her dreams to save her Village. She wanted to be brave. She's brave, he's a coward. Nice touch.

edited 24th Oct '12 1:47:54 PM by ZheToralf

Thing is, Rumple was okay with just giving her pain and suffering for leaving Baelfire(likely in the form of hurting Killian Jones). He seemed to be very willing to accept the idea that he drove her away, but that she still needed to be punished for, at the very least, not letting Baelfire know about why she was leaving...

It wasn't until she said she left of her own accord due to not loving Rumple in the first place that she lost all sympathy, in his mind, and deserved death...

I think he was already always planning on killing her, note: he doesn't make the deal (very specifically for their lives, not their well being) when she says she has the bean, instead he demands to see it.

I thought that his fight with Killian was a really good illustration of the idea that despite having power, he was/is still a coward.

I mean he basically followed the guy not really to find his wife but mostly because he wanted to take revenge on someone who had tormented him, and he basically was bringing the magical equivalent of an M-16 to a swordfight- I mean it's easy to feel confident when there's no way your opponent could possibly harm you.

edited 24th Oct '12 5:40:41 PM by Jordan