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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#426: Apr 22nd 2019 at 12:30:37 PM

From what I am reading, the short answer is that we dont know. Some experts claim that the largest pterosaurs were more heavily muscled, for their size, than modern birds. Then again, there seems to be no consensus regarding how much they weighed or what they ate. So far, it seems that their hind legs were too weak, and their chest muscles were not properly designed to lift more that a fraction of their own weight. The latest opinion seems to be that the largest pter's, like the Quetzelcoatus, hunted small animals while walking around on land, like a gigantic heron.

I dont suppose their was anything preventing a flying reptile from evolving to carry larger prey, but it would have to have been a different line from the ones we have uncovered.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#427: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:33:08 PM

Would grasping feet even be compatible with a quadrupedal flyer? (i'm not talking about pterosaurs, just in general)

Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#428: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:57:02 PM

[up] Bats, but I don’t think they use their feet to grasp prey.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#429: Apr 22nd 2019 at 4:52:09 PM

It's more that an animal is more likely to evolve quadrepedal movement if they dont need their feet to be the grasping instruments. Really its a "chicken and egg" thing- everything on an animal evolves together, like morphing jigsaw pieces. You cant change one element without changing the entire animal.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#430: Jan 20th 2021 at 6:24:17 AM

There's no way to make this up: 1st preserved dinosaur butthole is 'perfect' and 'unique,' paleontologist says: "The first dinosaur butthole ever discovered is shedding light where the sun don't shine. The discovery reveals how dinosaurs used this multipurpose opening — scientifically known as a cloacal vent — for pooping, peeing, breeding and egg laying."

Apparently, dinosaur butts were uniquely different from those of any other kind of animal. Who knew?

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#431: Jan 21st 2021 at 1:12:56 AM

[up] Hmmm, makes me wonder. I mean cladistically birds are therapods after all. Is this a possible split between the Ornithischia and Saurischia perhaps.

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Edited by KnightofLsama on Jan 21st 2021 at 7:13:11 PM

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#432: Jan 1st 2022 at 2:03:14 PM

Man, I somehow forgot about the conversation that I had been involved in here. That said, I'm glad to see that someone had fixed the relevant entries in the interim.

~Spinosegnosaurus77 (this post): What relevance does that have on the matter?

Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 1st 2022 at 1:06:26 PM

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#433: Jan 2nd 2022 at 3:20:33 PM

[up]By definition, a nomen oblitum hasn’t been used since 1899. If it was used in 1956, it’s not a nomen oblitum.

Edited by Spinosegnosaurus77 on Jan 2nd 2022 at 6:21:25 AM

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#435: Jan 5th 2022 at 5:52:17 AM

Okay, then it comes down to what they mean when they say "valid name".

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#436: Jan 5th 2022 at 6:00:20 AM

I think they mean something like "no one has used it for that purpose since our grandpa's day."

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#437: Jan 5th 2022 at 1:35:06 PM

Oh, "valid name" has a formal definition. Here's what I think is the most applicable kind of subjectively invalid names:

  • Conditionally suppressed names - these are special cases where a name that would otherwise have been valid has been petitioned for suppression by the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature. This is usually because the junior synonym (the later name) has had far wider and far longer common usage than the senior synonym (the older name).

IINM Diplodicus is far more used than Amphicoelias. That said, this only makes it viable for petitioning the ICZN for invalidation, which if accepted would make it an objectively invalid name (and thus a nomen oblitum).

Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 5th 2022 at 12:38:10 PM

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