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No, it was in the JSA Classified, and that book was penned by Geoff.
But does "circle around bewbs" trumps over "nothing over bewbs"?
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That's just absurdly low-cut.
And that panel is definitely in my Grey/Palimotti/Conner trade paperback.
edited 26th Sep '12 3:02:33 PM by Wackd
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I'm receiving mixed signals here.
Yes? No? C'mon, which is it?
No. Sorry, could've been more clear.
Having clothing begin or end at a certain place is always trumped by clothing stopping somewhere in the middle for no readily apparent reason.
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Nope. It's in the trade preceding the G/P/C run, written by Geoff Johns. Page 93.
Really.
I'll need to take a look at my trades next time I'm at home. Could've sworn...
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Conner carried over to the Palmiotti/Grey run, so I get the mixup - I checked the trades I had myself, just to be sure - but Geoff writes Peej quite a bit differently than Palmiotti and Grey.
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I loved how the trio's run was completely tongue-in-cheek.
They realised a long time ago how silly the DCU gets.
I tried to read PG from before and after. Turns out I don't like PG so much as I like P/G/C.
So now I read All-Star Western.
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You also reads Azzarello's Wonder Woman, right?
...Right?
No, I distinctly recall you saying that only the version of the character you care about counted for this discussion.
Newer books overrides old books whenever something different appears.
No they don't. Newer books do not override the bullshit that happened before them. That stuff still happened, and it doesn't go away just because they grew up. That's like saying Affirmative Action trumps slavery in any race discussion.
edited 26th Sep '12 5:48:39 PM by KingZeal
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Dude, it's called Retcon. It's not such an difficult concept to grasp.
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I think he gets that, but the issue is that comics with Power Girl being a Straw Feminist were published, and their retconning doesn't change that.
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No, affirmative action is the belated reparation for slavery.
You could see new 52 as the belated apology for Post Crisis, Post Crisis for the Silver Age and the Silver Age was, of course, an apology for the Golden Age that inspired Seduction Of The Innocent and the Comics Code.
That was then, this is now. Now whether then was better than now or vise versa, that doesn't really change. And honestly, as a whole it is not, it was and is still mostly feces even if Power Girl is among one of the shining diamonds in either of the cow pies.
So does she like showing off her sweater puppies? Does she have a reason for it? Fine, but if she does, everyone else is pretty much doing the same thing, we only single her's out because they're bigger. Why is everyone dressed like they're on Caribbean holiday? Do they all have the same reason, individual reasons, or DC a soft core setting? I suppose if Panty Fighters or whatever genre the label are a person's thing I can't judge them but DC isn't exactly advertising these as such.
edit:The hale, I thought this site had a barbershop page?
edited 26th Sep '12 7:12:18 PM by Cider
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It's mildly interesting to note that artists putting forth the buxom Power Girl always want to cite Wally Wood, the artist who (I think) designed her, as saying he kept making her breasts increasingly bigger with each successive appearance to see if anyone would notice as an excuse to give her a large chest. They tend to forget that, after Wood, she was drawn with much dialed down proportions for nearly 20 years, by Jerry Ordway in Infinity Inc and, by George Perez in Crisis on Infinite Earths, by Kerry Gammil, and most particularly by Mary Wilshire (who actually made her look kind of boyish). It wasn't until she appeared in Justice League Europe in the early 90's and Bart Sears got hold of her that she returned to her previous dimensions (and then some; Sears made her look downright ridiculous). In her earliest appearances her costume was not at issue at all; again, it wasn't until Sears and JLE that she or anyone else, in-story-wise, had any issue with her appearance (the Flash, apparently, would frequently make chauvinistic comments about her figure).
Oh, and I object to characterizing a man who looks at a woman's cleavage as a "perv." It's completely normal and healthy for a heterosexual male (and/or a homosexual female) to want to look at a woman's cleavage, and to enjoy the sight. Staring, however, IS rude, and objectifying others is wrong. Someone staring at a woman's cleavage (even if it is prominently displayed) is rude, yes, but it ain't "pervy."
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Of course the court is still out on how long you look at a cleavage before it becomes staring.
But I get the point your making.
edited 26th Sep '12 11:21:52 PM by DeviantBraeburn
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That is just a myth.
But I get what you are saying.
She was always a c-lister, anyway. Donate money to Skullgirls, get a sweet poster.
More like a D-lister, am I right fellas? Eh? Eh?
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If you are going to make jokes about her chest, I'm pretty sure she is in the F-range.
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Just for comparison, here's 1950s sexism in comics action: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4009771.html#cutid1
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And here's an interesting commentary on the sexism of comics. Hawkeye drawn the way his female counterparts are.
My conclusion is that Jojos Bizarre Adventure is not a sexist comic, because that's how guys are drawn a lot of the time. Here's a fanmade trailer from Vento Aureo. Skip to 0:33. The art is genuine. That's how Jojo characters look and pose.
Jojo's poses are so egregious it's become a meme. But would it be so if the characters were female?
edited 5th Dec '12 8:12:36 AM by TheHandle
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My household has actually spent some time reviewing the tumblr page for the Hawkeye Initiative, and honestly, I think the artists involved for a lot of it go a little too far the other direction, undermining their own point.
The core point of, "Women are constantly drawn in extremely sexist outfits and poses," is a pretty good one, but that message doesn't come across well in the storm of yaoi and women drawing Hawkeye in even skimpier outfits than the ones they're parodying, frequently removing his pants for no reason at all.
The Hawkeye Initiative is trying to raise awareness that women should be depicted more respectfully, but for the most part, the message that comes across is, "Women are just as shallow, if not moreso, than men."
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Terra's costume is skimpier, sure, but GIANT CIRCLE AROUND BOOBS trumps everything.
edited 26th Sep '12 2:51:18 PM by Wackd
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