Ayana Taketatsu and Fan Dumb

After Aya Hirano...it's Azusa'a seiyuu's turn to have her image being destroyed by Fan Dumb.

Someone found out that she had pictures of what seem to be her male friend...And the reaction of the Otakus are...you know the term "second-hand"?

No, I don't know the term. Therefore, I cannot judge their silly overreaction to their 'pure princess' defiling herself with *gasp* a boyfriend, as I lack the information of doing so.

What I can say is that this particular part of Otaku culture (along with quite a few other parts) has always freaked me out. Thank Amaterasu that they are probably not all like that.

In fact, I'm still not sure how much of this is Otaku actually raging, and how much it's 2chan being a dick to everything.

links pls...

And Fandumb is something common:

First of all, fans try to establish an "image" of the things they are a fan of. These "images" are usually made up of collections of personal interpretations fans agree on generally. While some of those images are true, many of them are nothing more than superficial delusions of fans of how one should be. And sadly, all fans gets offended when reality says otherwise.

This holds true for a lot of things especially in the Japanese idol industry.

So it really isn't a surprise when male fans gets mad when they find that their favorite female seiyuu or female idol has a man close to them. Many, upon learning the truth, will either delude themselves saying that the guy is a relative or they will join the hatedom against the subject(the idol/seiyuu).

Scary isn't it?

edited 16th Sep '11 12:18:10 AM by djmaca

That's one reason why dub fans are better-behaved in general — the idol mentality doesn't creep into their senses. I mean, have the fans pulled a Yoko Oh No when they learned that Yuri Lowenthal and Liam O Brien actually have wives of their own?

edited 16th Sep '11 12:32:41 AM by MoonlightBomber

Correct. But then that's generally. There are times when foreign fans are just as bad.

Huh? When did the sub vs dub get in there? We are talking about Japanese Otaku freaking out, not foreign anime fans.

'Purity' is a very important part of Otaku Culture, which is why we often hear stuff like this from them. I think they are insane for it, btw.

edited 16th Sep '11 12:39:24 AM by Kayeka

Chill, were just extending the discussion a bit.

Anyways please be reminded that Japanese Otaku, as opposed to other, foreign variety is different in mentality, but they almost work the same.

Edit: That purity delusion they have is one of the worse examples and aspects in being a Japanese idol fan...

edited 16th Sep '11 12:42:49 AM by djmaca

I'm being very chill, I just didn't want the whole thing getting derailed. We are talking about Japanese Otaku here, who probably don't even know what sub vs dub is.

Since I'm studying anthropology, I should jot this issue down for when the time comes that I get to do my own research. In fact, if my teacher saw that 'insane' comment of mine, he'd probably throw me out of the nearest window. Culture isn't insanity, after all.

I still want to know just why they are so obsessed with it.

edited 16th Sep '11 1:23:11 AM by Kayeka

Well... you know. There are things mere mortals must not know.

But seriously, I think it has to do with their view on how a woman should be. Just a guess.

All I can say on their reactions is this:

You can't blame a dog for barking. Only beating the hell out of them and such is the solution.

Yes, I raise a dog and know that there are far more gentle ways to train dogs, but them? They don't deserve it.

Setting aside my personal opinions on the practice, I can say nothing but 'culture', try to understand where it comes from and see if it is possible and if there is a need to convince them otherwise.

No matter what kind of culture anything originates from, if it involves such accusations and potential threats, something must be done.

And yet we must restrain from overdoing it. I kinda agree with women's rights, but saying that Islam should disappear due to it being misogyny is too much. Same goes for this. We really cannot stop fans from making delusions and "supposed rules like this", I think we can all agree on that, since everyone is entitled to an opinion. Saying we should do something is easy: acting on it is hard.

Like I said, it should be intervened only if it causes tangible damage to one's social, physical, and mental welfare.

I wonder how many times they have called for George Lucas' crucifixion as punishment for the Star Wars prequels and the The Crystal Skull.

What interests me isn't so much what they are doing, but why. On the surface it seems like they are not bugged by a perceived drop in quality of the product these 'idols' deliver, but more the perceived drop in...pedigree?...of said idol.

This near-religious zeal must have some roots beyond 'their favourite fab material has a boyfriend'.

edited 16th Sep '11 1:47:25 AM by Kayeka

I never understood that and this whole celebrity I like has a boy/girlfriend, oh no! thing.

Can this help? It's from The Other Wiki.

edited 16th Sep '11 1:48:40 AM by djmaca

Behold! A good reason to research this matter for the betterment of understanding between different cultures and the betterment of all!

Yes, I am very much looking forward to my thesis.

Yup. I was just pointing out that there's a lack of Yoko Oh No among American voice actors. This incident is just an example of schism of standards: Japanese highly value purity (thus the prevalence of Moe, etc.), while the West generally values loving someone despite what she has gone through (Not a virgin? No problem; I can still love you just the way you are).

edited 16th Sep '11 1:50:19 AM by MoonlightBomber

I'm an Asian, one that lives RIGHT NEXT TO IT, but I don't understand Japan's standard of purity.

OK, time to spill what I personally know.

A Japanese man loves a girl purely, whether real or fictional, even bordering to the point that he "owns" her and no one else. That girl must not be committed to someone else, for example.

But once you've found that she already has a squeeze, boom. You hate her, you think she's Defiled Forever.

Check the Netorare Genre entry for more info — it's basically the antithesis of this "pure" love.

edited 16th Sep '11 1:58:49 AM by MoonlightBomber

Does that by anyway related to this whole women should let herself violated by Chikan?

I think that's YMMV. If she does it to release her sexual desires, then it's not technically defilement (though some highly value virginity above all else).

Ah... NTR....

This is a concept so old it hurts my dust allergic nose. I never get it, though I find myself thinking over it so much, why this concept of purity even exists. It's so funny reading about how women lost their men when the men find the women are 'second hand'.

About the Japanese purity thing, I heard it is related to Shintoism. In Shinto, 'purity' is a very important concept, as is 'impurity'. The Japanese culture have absorbed it as part of its life, which explain why they are so obsessed with all kinds of 'purity'.

PS:Btw, this is not quite unique to Japan. Although not the same thing, overly religious Christian folks would have similar reaction to "second hand" girls. In fact, this was the norm not that long ago in Christian countries.

edited 16th Sep '11 2:15:31 AM by Heatth