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Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#1: Sep 4th 2011 at 1:57:56 PM

Guess That Trope. I assumed this was a redirect for I Thought It Meant, which concerns mistaken trope names.

Well, this is not that trope.

"Trope" is just a placeholder in the title. The article describes the trope by which a narrator or character describes something and then says, "Well, this isn't that." As the article description states, it's "subversion distilled to its purest essence."

25 wicks and 16 inbounds since Feb of '09. "Bait And Switch Exposition" is a redirect but doesn't seem to be doing the job.

Also, I've been banned from editing without explanation. Could someone fix that for me? I can't post in the "I've been banned" thread.

edited 4th Sep '11 1:59:55 PM by Routerie

Embryon from Toronto Since: Mar, 2010
#2: Sep 4th 2011 at 8:36:03 PM

I don't think it's a bad name at all. I guessed the meaning right away.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#3: Sep 6th 2011 at 5:06:01 AM

We frown on using "trope" as a placeholder these days.

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#4: Sep 6th 2011 at 5:17:53 AM

Sternly.

Feel it, placeholder. Feeeeel iiit. You are not weeelcomeee heeereee.

Pretentious quote || In-joke from fandom you've never heard of || Shameless self-promotion || Something weird you'll habituate to
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#5: Sep 6th 2011 at 5:20:26 AM

So this would be "The Setup Then Payoff Denied"?

This thing needs a lot of work, and formatting.

edited 6th Sep '11 5:25:32 AM by Raso

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#6: Sep 6th 2011 at 10:00:35 AM

Well This Is Not That Thing?

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
#7: Sep 6th 2011 at 11:58:46 AM

[up]I like that one. Nice and clear.

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Embryon from Toronto Since: Mar, 2010
#8: Sep 6th 2011 at 1:10:02 PM

Another version might be Well This Is Not That X.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."
Antheia from Uppsala, Sweden Since: Jan, 2001
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#10: Sep 6th 2011 at 3:09:44 PM

I like "thing". No need to get fancy when the natural language choice presents itself.

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#11: Sep 6th 2011 at 4:56:33 PM

"X" is every bit as much a placeholder as "trope" is, just without the anti-"trope" connotations of using placeholders.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#12: Sep 6th 2011 at 5:22:14 PM

Placeholders aren't the problem. It's just using "trope". But here, I say "thing" is better than "X", since it flows better with the phrase.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#13: Sep 6th 2011 at 8:15:46 PM

Yes, "thing" is much better than "X" because it's an accepted generic noun rather than an obvious fill-in-the-blank.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Embryon from Toronto Since: Mar, 2010
#14: Sep 7th 2011 at 8:55:58 AM

Yes, and I guess "thing" has the advantage of being a noun, whereas X could be an adjective, which would change the sentence completely (e.g. "Well, this is not that bad"). I still like the trope titles with X (A Boy and His X, etc.) but an actual word is probably preferable.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."
Wulfram Since: Sep, 2009
#15: Sep 7th 2011 at 8:59:50 AM

I don't see why a placeholder would be needed. Well This Is Not That would work just as well without one.

Auxdarastrix Since: May, 2010
#16: Sep 7th 2011 at 12:24:00 PM

Arguably "trope" is not being used as a placeholder, but as an actual part of the title which uses the meaning given to it by TV Tropes. In other words, the trope is about building up certain expectations based on well recognized story telling conventions (tropes), and then saying you aren't going to use that trope.

Still, before we decide what to call this, it Needs A Better Description.

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