Nope.
The whole problem breaks down if the accusers would like to accuse the guilty in court. As Josef Mengele do I have the right to throw myself off the cliffs of an Argentinian cliff or must I let myself be caught and face justice?
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Depending on who you ask, you're just bringing your punishment faster, and whatever is done to the genocider on Earth will be very merciful in comparison.
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If you're Josef Mengele I doubt you're going to be particularly worried about the ethical ramifications of suicide.
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You have commited genocide. You're not going to be worried about the morality of suicide.
"Delenda est." "Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed." -Common Roman saying at the end of speeches.
What I'm really asking is if you have done something so horrible (let's say you were under orders) and you still had a conscious and knew what you had done was wrong. Should you kill yourself or let the courts have their way. Even pretend it wasn't so soul-crushingly thorough as the Holocaust. Just a "holocaust" that you have taken part of and regret. You have been caught or know that you will or you eat a bullet. I think it would be more fair to let the members of the IDF or their counterpart to know that I actually thought I was guilty.
edited 22nd Aug '11 6:28:55 PM by JenkinstheMighty
Killing yourself doesn't show that you think you are guilty. Goerring, much?
Also, if you have a consience, you shouldn't have commited those acts in the first place. "I was under orders" is a horrible excuse, but that's for another topic, and the last I'll say on the subject.
"Delenda est." "Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed." -Common Roman saying at the end of speeches.
Suicide is for pussies, I'd simply never get caught.
"Oh you want me to come before your pathetic little world court? Come and get me."
edited 22nd Aug '11 6:34:46 PM by MajorTom
My whole thing is if an admitted death camp guard chose to kill himself over being caught by Mossad would that be satisfying or do we need the whole war crimes tribunal. Maybe this isn't the right thread.
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Whether it's immoral or not, if you're on trial for crimes of that magnitude, you'd be hard pressed to get away with suicide. You probably wouldn't be able to in the first place.
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.
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It’s cowardly, but is it inmoral? Assuming that you did do it, you’re do the world a favour IMHO.
edited 23rd Aug '11 12:41:35 AM by joeyjojo
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ok so i'm not going to do that? What then?
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ummm ... ? maybe this is the wrong thread.
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Rabble Rabble Right To Death rabble rabble rabble.
I think it's kind of silly to commit suicide, if you're to be hanged you get a bitching last meal and a chance to get off some awesome last words before dying.
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If I was accused of it but hadn't done it, or even been part/near it, I wouldn't kill myself.
I'd like to see how much faked information they had tbh.
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And there's no real proof of "hell," so it should be treated like just any other superstition. To me the main point is more that suicide is pretty much pointless; you'll either be executed or locked up in jail, and at least in jail you'll have time to think new thoughts, and maybe express them, even if the only person hearing them is the one who rapes you in the shower. (You never know who that person might mention them to!)
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Ummm, are the accusations even true? That's kind of important.
Anyway, suicide is not immoral.
If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common
If the accusations are true, my opinion is that it's still immoral regardless.
Well, I mean, who knows how long till they hang you. And my guess is that hanging isn't the best way to die. Unless they don't use the right length of rope and you just sort of hover there for a while suffocating. If you were gonna do that, might as well say "!@#$ you!" to all of them by masterbating furiously for an autoerotic asphyxiation related death.
Seems appropriately inappropriate.
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Is suicide immoral? ...no... I mean, I don't like it, but there's nothing wrong with it, morally speaking (provided it's actually suicide, not this assisted "suicide" bullshit).
Would I? Probably not. Well... if I did do it, I'm morally bankrupt and won't care. If I didn't, there's a good chance I can prove that. So it would be pointlessly idiotic either way.
I can't even see why one would do it anyhow. If anything, you're just bringing the inevitable a few days earlier, in this case...
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Oh no you di'n't!
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As for why commit suicide, I mean, why exactly would you want to be alive in a prison hellhole for a few weeks, with the only think to look forwards to being a death by hanging of all things? Obviously, if you're going to kill yourself, you'd want to do it by LESS unpleasant means, but seriously, what's with this "Oh, people who kill themselves are pussies" argument?
It's bizarre. Let's do the costs/benefits analysis. Cost: You lose X days of abject suffering in a cramped cold, unpleasant cell, and your last meal. Benefit: You die by a means of your choosing.
I really don't see how it's a bad decision. Seems totally rational to me.
edited 23rd Aug '11 10:18:57 AM by TheyCallMeTomu
you are appearing before a war crimes tribunal to be hanged by neck if found guilty. Is it immoral to commit suicide to evade punishment? I would kill myself but I'd like to know what others thought.