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[Edited by Fighteer]
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
FATAL Survivor
Certain rumors such as Janet van Dyne's death worry me, especially given that that's likely why Edgar Wright walked away from the project, but I think I can give Marvel the benefit of the doubt. For now.
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Movie.
edited 30th Jul '14 1:23:38 PM by Cyran
"That wizard came from the moon!"
This is a title.
Someone died? Comic or movie? Because we all know how that first one goes...
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Funny but not helpful
It occurs how weird it is that geniuses in Marvel are so vexed by not being considered top three. Like just being in the top ten smartest people in the world just ruffles their petticoats right up.
Smart people in marvel sure are prima donnas.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
It is their fault for not accepting their place at DOOM's feet!
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This has me so pissed.
Role Model
They have the drive and they're so closed to being unmatched. I'd heard Amadeus Cho had a similar experience with being told he was better than he was.
I'm glad someone else made the Pym/Bruce connection, because this is starting to sound really similar.
I find it hard to believe Tony is anywhere near Reed or Doom. I just don't see how anyone could be, but if there was someone else, I'd have to guess the mutant Forge, or someone else who just isn't normal.
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
My personal favorite was X-Men's Doctor Nemesis. There's a panel in X-Club where he's talking to a reporter who just asked him about where he was on the list of smartest people in the world, and well...
...I want Nemesis to show up in an X-Men movie. With his personality completely identical to his current comics characterization.
edited 30th Jul '14 1:34:03 PM by LizardBite
FATAL Survivor
I know right?! And they were doing so well... Unless it turns out she shrunk to the size of an atom or something. That could be cool.
Caononically Tony has built armor and tech that rivals anything that Doom puts out. It's the fact that Doom also enhances his tech with sorcery that gives him an edge.
While Reed has considered Tony to be his equal for well, decades.
Role Model
But I don't want it to be true! I like Tony somewhat, but I'm just irked by rich, white, attractive men who can do pretty much anything and everything, far outside of logic or reason, and who may or may not have like one fault, but their over-exaggerating fans and occasional writers think they're better than God and sex. No seriously, I actually do like the characters of Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne, but I find at most times they can easily be treated as over-the-top amazing, and I don't like that.
The smartest people list could use some more diversity. More people of color, more genius women (I know this was a list of men, though), and so on.
edited 30th Jul '14 1:56:05 PM by wanderlustwarrior
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Funny but not helpful
At least we have Black Panther and a Mutant-American on the list.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
So is Black Panther aware he shares his name with an American black nationalist group from the mid-60's?
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Mad Scientist Wannabe
He is in the comics. At one point he changed his name to Black Leopard, and then to just The Panther, until he got over it.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Didn't Iron Man: Armored Adventures portray the Mandarin as a giant dude wearing black samurai armor along with his rings?
This is a title.
Not giant dude, but yeah. First one we meet was an average sized adult and the second was a teenager.
edited 30th Jul '14 2:03:21 PM by Eagal
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
I wonder if that would be plausible for the MCU? Maybe he's so old that he's become like Anubis and just has the armor holding his soul in.
edited 30th Jul '14 2:04:30 PM by theLibrarian
Role Model
I've been saying for quite a while that an MCU Mandarin could've easily been done with a guy with arms of powered armor, with glowing rings of light on them that are triggers or release mechanisms for different types of energy, some of which may be Stark tech. We've already seen repulsors and the arc reactor itself take a ring shape, and I'd previously suggested Extremis bio bombs, miniaturized Jericho missiles, Stane's "neural impactor", Vanko's cords, and other things collected from Ten Rings associates. Hell, he might even use a working piece of Hammer tech, and absolutely must use something of his own.
T'Challa predates the Black Nationalist group, I think.
edited 30th Jul '14 2:14:27 PM by wanderlustwarrior
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Hammer tech has things that work?
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Funny but not helpful
Yeah pretty sure people would have complained just as bitterly about that.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Role Model
I miss Obie. Also, I wonder what the MCU history of the atomic bomb was.
I was kind of irked that Hammer was an absolute failure. Rockwell played it well, but it was annoying that it added to the "Tony Stark is the only one who can do anything that truly works in the world of tech" feel. If only Vanko was more practical, things might be different, though.
edited 30th Jul '14 2:18:07 PM by wanderlustwarrior
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
I think the most dastardly crime Obie committed was taking away the pizza he had brought over from New York to eat with Stark. The fiend.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
I'm sure Hammer did had stuff that worked. He was cited as being a contractor for the U.S. government, and apparently a successful one. It's just that Tony is much smarter than he is.
On the top ten smartest list: It also includes Doctor Doom, who is canonically Romani (or half-romani, I don't remember).
And I don't see what's the problem with having the Mandarin be magical. Seeing a straight-up Magic versus science match in an Iron Movie would be quite great.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Role Model
@Bocaj: I doubt people would've complained nearly as much as with what we got.
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
As much complaint event comics get, I do like that for the space between Disassembled and Siege the 616 universe was a constantly changing universe of events, it feels like that period of time is now a detailed history in a way.
Of course that period started with the Big Three Avengers being for ever divided and ended with them being united, it was a long period and one with consequences we're still seeing.
I think MARVEL NOW is doing things better though; taking characters in new directions which do not require extensive continuity, but are certainly rectory to long standing problems with the character. The Uncanny Avengers which saw the Avengers try and help mutant image, Superior Spider-Man which saw an aggressive attempt at improving Peter's life, and Indestructible Hulk which saw Banner employing the Hulk, Captain Marvel saw a long standing legacy character of legacy characters try to forge an independent career.
I'm not all that interested in Fear Itself and Original Sin though as crossover events though.