Marvel Cinematic Universe

Tessa Thompson is Latina (father is Afro-Panamanian and mother is Euro-Mexican). And Zoe Saldana is Dominican, as mentioned.

Only other Latina I can think of in the MCU is Bruce Banner's Brazilian neighbor in The Incredible Hulk.

edited 14th Jan '18 6:40:04 PM by Tuckerscreator

Guys, not only can we have both, we should insist on having both.

Technically Gamora is a women of Colour, but you need to go to the TV show to find more options not covered in paint....but between Quake, Slingshot, Melinda May, Claire Temple and half of the cast of Runaways, Marvel TV has a better track record in this regard than the movies have.

And, as I mentioned before, a Black Widow movie is a good option to cover the whole Spy genre thing. I wasn't suggesting her wearing the mask the whole movie, btw, but it could be an element they could use. They could even make a joke out of it.

Hill: You can't go in there, they will recognize you immediately.

Natasha: Well, then I'll send my good friend Anja.

Cue a scene showing "Anja" sneaking in and the reveal happens either when he talks to Hill over the com or has to take out some goon.

Btw, having an all female or mostly female supporting cast for Black Widow makes perfectly sense, because for some reason the MCU has a particularly high percentage of female spies....I blame Peggy's influence.

Agents of Shield is doing okay.

Better than the low bar that is the movies anyway

I don't have a lot to add to the current discussion that hasn't already been said. But coincidentally a new TV spot for Black Panther was released that features the women of Wakanda being totally badass.

edited 14th Jan '18 6:47:01 PM by Falrinn

Considering how we have no real idea of what "Phase IV" will be like (other than Feige implying that it will "different"), I'd say that it's far too early to say that ANY movie is "at the wrong time."

Ugh, I've always hated lines about guns being primitive. The only place I've ever given that a pass too is in places like Star Wars.

I think I'm really going to love Okoye. I'm anticipating a Designated Girl Fight when Nakia inevitably reveals she's bad news, but even that I'm looking forward to.

As a matter of fact... now that I think about it, the heroes and villains are rather well matched for a "final battle."

• T'Challa vs Killmonger. Self explanatory, especially with Erik making himself a knockoff Panther suit.
• Okoye vs Nakia (if she really does go the route of her comics counterpart): Dora Milaje vs Dora Milaje, old vs young.
• Shuri vs Klaue: good Gadgeteer Genius vs evil Gadgeteer Genius, etc.

I wonder if they're going to do a thing like how the Captain America has Bucky and Sam use the shield from time to time in reference to their comics versions donning the cowl, by having something similar happen with Shuri.

edited 14th Jan '18 6:51:57 PM by KnownUnknown

A gun is basically a rock-stick.

I don't like it because it's a very obvious "people always call Africans primitive, but here's them calling us primitive!" gag, which is the kind of joke I've always seen as rather patronizing.

Agents of Shield does better than any other Superhero show out there except maybe Runaways. And better than most regular comic book shows. Especially when it comes to showcasing its female characters. They are all well-rounded, interesting and bad-ass in very different ways.

In terms of female led Marvel films I'd like to see, Kamala Khan is at the top once we have the Captain Marvel mythology set up. In fact I was a little sour that Spidey suddenly became a part of the MCU because I was expecting Kamala to fill the highschool genre; but it's clear that Spidey is gonna age out of that genre really quickly.

I'm weirdly curious for a Scarlet Witch film? Simply because we don't get to see Wanda's perspective ll that much and the gothic side of the MCU is yet to be explored (Though if Blade gets a film adaptation then I'm sure he'll have custody; though really I expect Blade to go to Netflix)

Monica Rambeau's Spectrum seems pretty obvious? I've always enjoyed her personality and her power set is really freaking cool; but I'm not sure what kind of genre her films would fit into.

Elsa Bloodstone! Monster hunter! Gosh, monster films are IN right now. Give us a gal with a massive pony tail and Fing Fang Foom and boom; my bum will be in a cinema seat.

Honestly I'm super up for an A-force film. All the great supporting female characters seem to be at risk of vanishing from the MCU once their trilogies end. While Rhodey and Sam have managed to join the avengers, Lady Sif, Pepper Potts and Valkerye seem at risk of vanishing.

Yes, Agents of Shield has a very diverse cast. Currently the main characters include 3 women of colour (Quake, May and Yo-Yo), 1 white woman (Simmons), 1 black man (Mac) and 2 white men (Coulson, Fitz).

So the main protagonists are majority women and majority people of colour, and they're all fairly three-dimensional, and everyone gets a chance to shine.

edited 14th Jan '18 7:32:47 PM by Galadriel

I wonder why Marvel TV is doing so much better with diversity. They're run by Perlmutter who is apparently the reason it took until Ragnarok to get a female main antagonist.

As for female movies I want my top picks would be Black Widow, Miss Marvel, and a teamup movie called The Valkyries.

Network TV has always (or at least, for a decent amount of time) been more willing to do non-white or female protagonists and major characters, even in action and plot heavy series, than films are.

There are a lot of arcane ideologies that go behind the perception that some idea is okay to run for television but not okay for film, or vice versa. Many make sense. Many others do not.

edited 14th Jan '18 8:05:59 PM by KnownUnknown

Basically. A major part of it is the financial aspect. TV shows are seen as less risky since if they fail, the amount of money lost wouldn't be nearly as great. If a TV show fails, it's a financial blow, but probably not the end of the world. A 150 million dollar superhero movie failing, however, is the kind of shit that bankrupts studios and ends careers.

TV also shattered the gender and color barrier quite some time ago, so it's pretty much proven that audiences are not averse to watching shows starring women or black people. With superhero films on the other hand, detractors and skeptics used to be able to point to flops like Catwoman, Elektra, Supergirl and Steel as proof that nobody wants to see movies starring those groups (even though Blade should've been enough to disprove that, but whatever).

There's also the matter that most of Marvel's oldest, most well-known, and iconic franchises are led by white male superheroes; big blockbuster superhero movies need to be able to draw in crowds who are only passingly familiar with a character; "Hey, I've heard of this 'Iron Man' guy, maybe I'll go see his film". Whereas television can afford to be specifically "for the fans", so to speak, and use B-lister characters.

That being said, both Ant-Man and Doctor Strange were successes despite being lesser-known (Due to Marvel building up its movie reputation), and Black Panther's already sold a shitload of tickets. Testing the waters by putting him in Civil War was a really smart idea whether it was necessary or not; they basically Trojan Captain America'd him in and now everybody knows who he is and wants a movie with him as the lead, not just the diehard Marvel fans. Even the most lobotomized Hollywood exec can't veto the general audience.

edited 14th Jan '18 8:56:32 PM by Anomalocaris20

For one, I don't think that Perlmutter cares all that much what Marvel TV does. As far as I can tell, Loeb is the one who makes most of the decision there, at least in the live action segment. This is because TV shows are a different ballpark. For one, with TV shows the risk is carried by the network, not the production company (meaning in this case ABC or Netflix), while with movies, they are not only way more expensive, the risk is entirely carried by the production company (meaning Marvel). And Two, Perlmutter really cares for toy sales, and it is not like live action TV shows are a great vehicle for those (usually, there are toys out there for Agent Carter and Quake for a reason). Which is because when he meddles is TV, it is most likely mostly at the animated side of things (and yes, that means that I blame him for the state of Marvel animation, perhaps unfairly so, but I don't care).

The one time Perlmutter really meddled in Marvel TV was with Inhumans and we all knew how that ended. Just keep this guy away from the creative process.

Doctor Strange might have been lesser known, but being part of said general audience I at least had an idea that he existed. While I only know about Kamala because she is constantly mentioned in discussion forum over here.

Thus said as Got G has shown, Marvel can sell new characters to the audience...but I think they need a couple of basic elements for it to work.

1. A catchy name 2. A concept which looks different enough to draw in the interest of the audience. 3. A really good story.

Not only are most of the main superheroes white males, those who aren't are usually not all that different from what the audience already knows.

edited 14th Jan '18 9:01:03 PM by Swanpride

Fixed your sentence structure for you.

I don't think that they can get rid completely off him.

Iron Man was kind of B-List at the time the first RDJ movie was made, though, is the strange thing. In part for the same reason that Captain America and Thor had rebounded, I suppose: Civil War. Spider-Man, X-Men, and Hulk were still going strong, but they couldn't quite seem to pinpoint a way of translating Spider-Man's success into other Marvel movies.

Blade really doesn't get enough credit. A lot of casual audiences probably still don't even know that he's a Marvel character.

edited 14th Jan '18 9:19:28 PM by Unsung

What's that got to do with anything?

edited 14th Jan '18 9:12:55 PM by windleopard

A lot of people dosent know he is a superhéro, he is just another vampire hunter like buffh, Val helsing and Many other before him.

Hell I know him from the Spiderman 90 series were he have a motocycle that go into Walls.

edited 14th Jan '18 9:13:38 PM by unknowing

Well...depends. Funfact, Ironman is actually one of the first Marvel heroes I knew anything about. Because one of the first animated shows related to comic books I watched (though animated is a gracious description) was this "we put comic panel on a screen" Marvel show which featured Captain America, Ironman, Thor and Namor - Namor was my fav, btw. And I actually distinctively remember seeing episodes of an Ironman animated show later on. So while I somehow missed out on his origin story, I at least knew about the whole "my bodyguard does it" set-up.

edited 14th Jan '18 9:14:18 PM by Swanpride

Also, if you're a Seinfeld fan:

"Mr. Seinfeld and Mr. Costanza debated on whether or not Iron Man wore some sort of undergarment between his skin and his iron suit."

"And I still say he's naked under there!"

"Oh, that makes a lot of sense!"

Generally speaking, I noticed the familiarity with Iron Man is a generational thing in most cases. Most adults I knew at the time had no idea who the hell he was, which is why so much of the narrative around the movie was that Marvel took a nobody hero and made him a star.

Conversely, if you were my age, you likely had at least some passing familiarity with him. He showed up in guest spots on the Spider-Man show (that was still showing up in reruns for years) and had his own short-lived cartoon, and was also a mainstay of the popular Marvel vs. Capcom video games in the late 90's. Most people weren't huge fans or anything, but a lot of teenagers or young adults at the time had at least heard of him.

But I think even that has become largely irrelevant now ever since we got to the point where Marvel could turn characters like the Guardians and Strange into stars.