Marvel Cinematic Universe

I'm reminded of the time he defeated Krona, an immortal who had the power to remake two universes, with a TNT Arrow.

I love that story.

Was she a Glass Cannon?

Krona's a dude, actually.

Also, a DC villain.

edited 29th Mar '17 8:02:56 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Well.

Was he a Glass Cannon?

Oh right.

Hawkeye is a member of the Justice League of America because of that stunt.

That's right! He's comic book character to be a member of the premiere super hero team of a separate company.

All because of JLA/Avengers

Dude (and dudettes): Hawkeye once defeated the Grandmaster with a simple trick arrow. I mean, not even by shooting the arrow, but by doing something much cleverer.

edited 29th Mar '17 9:30:41 PM by alliterator

Krona isn't usually a Glass Cannon. In fact, he's ridiculously powerful in that story even in comparison to how he's generally portrayed.

Hawkeye beats him by targetting a weakness: Krona had built a cosmic-level eldritch machine that could fuse the Marvel and DC universes (and unlike the Marvel Vs DC crossover, this wouldn't be a cool thing that would merge a bunch of characters together), destroying both and allowing him to study the remains. But he tied his own essence or power or something into it, allowing it to function as a weakness.

Hawkeye shoots it in the right place, blows it up, and a backfire on a cosmic scale occurs. Krona gets destroyed and reforged as an egg that would some day hatch into a new universe, and Hawkeye becomes an honorary Justice Leaguer. Which is great, given how much that story has the League look down on the Avengers for allegedly being a bunch of fuck ups.

Speaking of which, if in some miracle someday Warner Bros and Disney decide to make history by doing a MCU / DCEU crossover movie, Access has to be in it somewhere.

edited 29th Mar '17 10:28:33 PM by KnownUnknown

Tony Stark is the worst re-gifter.

Sony has hired Rothman to lead the studio...yes, THE Rothman. The guy who kept the X-men franchise on the cheap for ages, sew Deadpool mouth shut and was in general such a nuisance at Fox that I always felt that Fox was so successful (financial speaking) despite of him, not because of him. I have no idea why Sony felt hiring that guy was a good idea - perhaps because a lot of creative heads currently prefer to work for Netflix - but the whole Venom thing has his fingerprints all over it. It is clearly a reaction to Fox being so successful with r-rated Superhero movies. Rothman was also part of the reason why the relationship between Fox and Marvel was so bad.

They hired him because he is good at penny pinching and has a reputation for making sure movies have tight budgets. He's notorious for making demands in the X-Men movies that fans hated (such as no Sentinels) that while stupid, ultimately kept costs down and made sure the movies were as profitable as possible.

Sony's Spider-Man movies, on the other hand, were becoming increasingly expensive and less profitable. And for stupid, frivolous shit that didn't need to be there other than for fanservice or sequel baiting. Something like spending millions of dollars rendering the CGI Rhino and hiring a well known actor like Paul Giamatti to play him, despite the character only showing up for like two minutes of screentime, is not the sort of thing that would've happened under him.

If you're a fan, that's all stuff that is gonna piss you off, but if you're part of an ailing company who needs to make money, all that sounds pretty great.

edited 30th Mar '17 4:47:53 AM by comicwriter

Except that the MCU has proven that the X-men franchise always underperformed. Think about it, the X-men movie which had the highest revenue so far is Deadpool and that is the project Rothman blocked for years.

edited 30th Mar '17 4:55:41 AM by Swanpride

Didn't he also push the Ghostbusters flop?

No, it really hasn't. If the barometer is "not as successful as the MCU," then that means almost every other movie franchise ever made has technically "underperformed." Spider-Man 1 also wasn't as successful as the MCU and yet it was still a monstrous hit at the time.

The point is, the movies made a profit (many of them big) relative to their budgets, and he made sure that said budgets didn't go overboard. Hence why, despite his stupid creative choices, he was still in demand in Hollywood after no longer working at Fox.

edited 30th Mar '17 5:06:21 AM by comicwriter

No, that was Amy Pascal herself. But I bet that he is somehow responsible for the idea of an emoji movie.

edited 30th Mar '17 5:04:13 AM by Swanpride

My favorite thing about Hawkeye is that he is consistently portrayed as a street-level fighter, and yet the universe bends over backwards way more often than it logically should to allow him to do incredibly stupidly awesome things on the high cosmic-level, because Hawkeye is just that awesome.

Hawkeye threw his fingernail between universes to kill Galactus and save us all.

Ignoring the sarcasm, I was gonna mention the thing with the Grandmaster as well. He flat out outsmarted him. The best part is the Grandmaster knew he was playing on Hawkeye's terms, but he very nature demanded he do it anyway (something Hawkeye himself pointed out).

And I brought up the Justice League thing as well myself. Hawkeyes being treated as dumb and useless and boring by fans is an attitude that needs a good face punching TO BE COUNTERED AT EVERY TURN.

It is interestingly an attitude often shared by the man Clint himself, who drank mysterious science juice because he didn't feel useful and tended to quit and rejoin based on which way his insecurity was blowing that day

Clint Barton is a trash fire and he is incredibly aware of it. He has also saved the world and universe a goodly amount of times.

It is quite flawed logic to assume someone is an idiot because the eventual movie turned out to be a success. Under different circumstances Deadpool could have been a chaotic mess. Different director, different writer, a bigger budget inviting more studio interference, a less pristine release date, the Origins Wolverine movie still in public consciousness, and it could easily have failed.

I remember a discussion where someone was adamant that Avengers succeeded because of Joss Whedon, and that the Wonder Woman movie he worked on ten years ago would have been a similar success. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that the movie would have been good, there are too many factors involved to just assume the movie would be a success.

Sure, but if not for the "leak", Deadpool would have never been made. But the actual main problem with Rothman is that there are two extremes with him: either he doesn't care about a project and tries to block it at every turn (see Deadpool and the first X-men) or he cares too much and micromanages it with his stupid ideas (see Wolverine: Origins). And while I am not a fan of the Bryan Singer take on the X-men, it was Rothman who didn't sign him on in time for the Last stand. Rothman has a history of ruining comic book movies.

edited 30th Mar '17 2:12:17 PM by Swanpride

SFX Magazine (June 2017) Spotlight on The Black Panther[1]◊

Interesting. Was that a speculative joke or was that confirmation Bucky will be in this movie, even if just a plot point?

Don't like that the article indicates they're going with the cliche and overplayed Woman Scorned trope for Lupita's character. A female villain is fine, but can't it be based on something other than a guy not being into her?

Thing is that's always been Nakia/Malice's schtick and so I hope they're going to update it. Seems like they're making it a little more mutual this time around and that T'Challa rejects her because she was already kind of evil, rather than his rejection being what drives her to evil. I hope they don't play it completely straight.