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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#34676: May 23rd 2015 at 3:09:37 AM

Well, not always. I believe the Phoenix Saga was before his popularity, but he did have some awesome (and iconic) moments there. I really liked these because it showed Wolverine can be cool without being almost invincible.

I'm old enough to remember the 80s, and I think this moment (which happened a bit before the Dark Phoenix saga) was pretty much the starting point of Wolverine's success. Before that he'd never really been shown to be the sort of badass he later became, but in this story all the other X-Men had been defeated and Wolverine has to face the Hellfire Club alone - and he kicks their ass. IIRC Dave Cockrum didn't much care for Wolverine in Uncanny X-Men... But when John Byrne became the artist, and eventually the co-plotter, he wanted to give Wolverine a bigger push (possibly because of some Canadian national pride?), and X-Men #133 is where it really started.

I think it's interesting that both Wolverine and the Punisher were created in the 70s, but they didn't really get super-popular until the latter half of the 80s, when the The Dark Age Of Comic Books kicked in. They were much easier to mold into the sort of grim'n'gritty anti-hero favoured by that era than most other pre-existing superhero comic characters. (Though to be fair both of them went through some retooling before that happened: the Wolverine miniseries introduced the whole "man or beast" conflict that became a major part of the character, and some of Punisher's earlier actions, such as shooting at litterers, had to be retconned so they could turn him from a villain to anti-hero.)

edited 23rd May '15 3:15:58 AM by Tuomas

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#34677: May 23rd 2015 at 7:26:09 AM

'Kosovo'? 'Sokovia'? They're one letter short of an anagram!

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34678: May 23rd 2015 at 8:09:49 AM

Sokovoia was an Expy of a similarly-Ultron attacked country called Slorenia from the comics. Not sure why they changed the name.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34679: May 23rd 2015 at 8:11:53 AM

Whedon said that working on the film was trying enough that he didn't have time to slip in in-jokes, so my guess is he made up the name of the country and at no point did someone go "this script would be a lot better if that name was in the comics somewhere."

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34680: May 23rd 2015 at 8:12:21 AM

Fans would have complained that Ultron didn't wipe out the population.

"Clearly marvel studios has no respect for the original material" they would say. And then they would adjust their monocle. Because this is my hypothetical strawman and they get a monocle. I'll fight you on this.

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#34681: May 23rd 2015 at 8:16:55 AM

Alright. They have TWO monocles, dammit!

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#34682: May 23rd 2015 at 8:21:39 AM

[up]&[up][up]You're both wrong; our strawman has three monocles. As for where the third one goes, it goes right atop the third eye on his forehead. Because he's funny like that.tongue

Wackd Since: May, 2009
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34684: May 23rd 2015 at 8:26:28 AM

My god. It's made of monocles.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34685: May 23rd 2015 at 8:29:24 AM

You people are ruining my vision

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#34687: May 23rd 2015 at 8:33:56 AM

[up][up]Wait; so, you're saying the Vision belongs to you? I think Marvel has something to say about that...

edited 23rd May '15 8:34:06 AM by kkhohoho

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34688: May 23rd 2015 at 8:34:42 AM

[up][up][up]Nah, that's Thanos doing it.

edited 23rd May '15 8:35:03 AM by LordofLore

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34689: May 23rd 2015 at 8:44:34 AM

If I meant Vision I would have capitalized

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34690: May 23rd 2015 at 8:46:26 AM

The MCU never did it either in their subtitlestongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34692: May 23rd 2015 at 9:00:44 AM

-adjusts monocle sternly-

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jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#34693: May 23rd 2015 at 9:02:42 AM

-steals monocle-

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34694: May 23rd 2015 at 10:02:33 AM

-Wears his glorious invention, the sunglass monocle-

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Archivist10 Oh for God's sake! Since: Jan, 2013
Oh for God's sake!
#34695: May 23rd 2015 at 10:12:46 AM

Who wants to see in Cap. America Civil War a recreation of the poster showing Cap vs Iro man?

edited 23rd May '15 10:14:13 AM by Archivist10

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#34696: May 23rd 2015 at 10:13:32 AM

-wears a single contact lens-

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#34697: May 23rd 2015 at 10:20:32 AM

[up][up]{Points monocle at the poster in the hot sun like a magnifying glass, burning the poster into complete nothingness.}

In case you couldn't tell, I'm not fond of my heroes fighting each other due to a God-Awful story, and I'll take my potshots at it whenever I can.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#34698: May 23rd 2015 at 11:17:30 AM

Hey, I forget: does Joss Whedon write Agents of SHIELD?

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stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#34699: May 23rd 2015 at 11:26:41 AM

He's an executive producer, but IMDB only lists him as having writing credit for one episode (the pilot).

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#34700: May 23rd 2015 at 11:44:41 AM

Ah.

So, does he not watch his own show? Because SHIELD does *not* have the resources it did in Ao U anymore.

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