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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#28601: Mar 5th 2015 at 9:24:05 PM

Well if you really want more dog-versity.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28603: Mar 5th 2015 at 9:31:36 PM

[up][up][up] Perhaps its the director attached.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#28604: Mar 5th 2015 at 9:35:08 PM

Photoshop < drawings of dogs < pictures of dogs in an actual group. :P

Re: Scar Jo's hair: like you said, it changes all the time. The difference between Iron Man 2 and Avengers isn't really that significant except for length. Her Winter Soldier style is only notable because she's straightened it.

Looking at it another way, her hair in Iron Man 2 was a test style, her Avengers hair is her default look, and Winter Soldier's look was an intentional shift to show how she's in a different place after New York, similar to Steve's darker, sleeker SHIELD uniform.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28605: Mar 5th 2015 at 9:37:23 PM

Bring back Steve's Winter Soldier uniform, pls.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#28606: Mar 5th 2015 at 9:43:33 PM

[up][up] Nice analysis. I agree.

[up] I like Steve's Age of Ultron outfit. It actually looks like a good mix of his World War 2 and Winter Soldier outfits, IMO.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28607: Mar 5th 2015 at 10:22:49 PM

[up]It looks kinda goofy. But nowhere near as bad as his Avengers outfit.

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Calnos The Jossed from Nowhere Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#28608: Mar 5th 2015 at 10:34:54 PM

On Black Widow's hair... I have no idea on the technicalities or if it would have been a problem in the first place, but Scar Jo was pregnant during production and they used like three stunt doubles and CGI'd her head onto them a lot from what I understand. Maybe having the shorter hair style helped make that easier?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28609: Mar 5th 2015 at 11:27:29 PM

Shorter hair certainly would make it easier, but in this case, Joss Whedon also simply likes her with short hair. I am not bothered by the changing hair at all because it fits the character to change it regularly.

Shipping Steve with Bucky is a little bit problematic at this point because Bucky is not really in his right mind.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#28610: Mar 5th 2015 at 11:44:32 PM

And is kinda, sorta, a mass murderer. Yes, he was brainwashed, but I don't see any form of reality where Tony is cool with Steve bumping butts with the guy who murdered his parents.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#28611: Mar 5th 2015 at 11:54:07 PM

... Why does Tony matter in this scenario? Also, as you said: Brainwashed. Bucky, if he were to recover from his brainwashing, would not be responsible for his actions. He's a victim, not a villain.

Also, I would generally assume any scenario where Steve and Bucky end up a couple would involve Bucky healing, first. I'm not sure why you wouldn't?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#28612: Mar 6th 2015 at 12:14:11 AM

I'm more concerned about how Widow appears in the Avengers movies themselves than how she appears outside of them. She didn't really have a personality in Avengers 1 - really, she didn't have a decent personality until Winter Soldier, and I've been concerned that she might regress back due to the changing of hands between writers and directors.

edited 6th Mar '15 12:14:50 AM by KnownUnknown

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28613: Mar 6th 2015 at 12:35:31 AM

We don't even know if Bucky killed Tony's parents. A fake accident is not exactly the kind of job you pick the winter soldier for.

[up]I disagree...for me The Avengers was the movie which gave her a personality, though Winter Soldier built up on it further.

edited 6th Mar '15 12:36:25 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28614: Mar 6th 2015 at 12:44:07 AM

@Superheroes as animals: Actually, a couple of years back Marvel did a number of variant covers showing just this. I'll try to find some of them so you can see what Marvel would have them be if they were animals:

@Shipping: Over the years Marvel has tried to pair Carol Danvers off with pretty much everyone depending on the writer but none have lasted. The pairing that the fans seem to like the most is one that would probably never happen in the pages or on screen(Carol Danvers x Jessica Drew).

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#28615: Mar 6th 2015 at 12:50:26 AM

I thought the one everyone liked was Carol and Peter.

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#28616: Mar 6th 2015 at 12:56:57 AM

[up][up]I'm not too much into furries, but Furry!Captain Marvel is cute.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28617: Mar 6th 2015 at 12:56:58 AM

They were about equal for a time when the Spider-Man writers teased it non stop but it kind of fizzled out when the next writer took over and wanted to push his Spider-Man ship forward.

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#28618: Mar 6th 2015 at 1:07:27 AM

It takes two to ship headlining characters. The securest ships are within books or cross books that a single author is writing.

edited 6th Mar '15 1:07:41 AM by Bocaj

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28619: Mar 6th 2015 at 1:16:58 AM

Yep. And the volume where Carol took up the name of Captain Marvel(volume 7)could have had "And co-starring Spider-Woman" on the cover for how much she showed up compared to every other character.

edited 6th Mar '15 1:22:22 AM by LordofLore

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28621: Mar 6th 2015 at 8:58:32 AM

Bring back Steve's Winter Soldier uniform, pls.

WS was the best he's ever looked but I like the Age of Ultron suit. It's miles better than his Avengers one.

Like, is that for the benefit of viewers who only watched the first Avengers movie and are planning to see Age of Ultron? Like, what a weird thing to keep intact for an Avengers sequel.

It's probably just aesthetic switches between the different directors and costume designers. For instance the main reason Whedon introduced a new Iron Man suit at the climax of Avengers is because he apparently hated the new suit they gave Tony in Iron Man 2.

edited 6th Mar '15 9:00:05 AM by comicwriter

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#28622: Mar 6th 2015 at 9:36:54 AM

[up][up]Considering the subject matter and the article you link is nearly a month old, yes.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28624: Mar 6th 2015 at 10:58:28 AM

Speaking of toys, I wouldn't mind Tony putting on this new armor variant by Square Enix for one of the movies.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28625: Mar 6th 2015 at 11:09:43 AM

Someone did a mash up with Spider-Man.

edited 6th Mar '15 11:10:30 AM by comicwriter


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