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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1: Aug 1st 2011 at 1:54:28 PM

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/prostitution-pay-college

The Huffington Post has profiled a few female college students it describes as "using 'sugar daddies' to pay off loan debt." The girls, who call themselves 'sugar babies,' are saddled with tuition and other bills; the men are much older and wealthy. They go on dates and have sex, and money changes hands.

The sweet names make it sound harmless, but it seems to us the article could have a more accurate headline: Young women are becoming prostitutes specifically to pay for education.

Among those featured in the piece is Taylor, a 22-year-old student at Hunter college with a "mane of caramel-colored hair" who "grew up black and poor in the south Bronx" and is looking for an "arrangement in the range of $1000 to $3000 a month" to help with college expenses.

She wouldn't come out and say it, but another "sugar baby" profiled in the article did: "If this isn't what prostitution is called, I don't know what it is," she said. And one expert told Huff Po, "These college women didn't see themselves as sex workers, but women doing straight-up prostitution often don't see themselves that way either."

The Huffington Post reports that outside the U.S., a handful of scholars in the United Kingdom recently examined shifting patterns of sexual behavior among college students tied to rising amounts of debt. They fear that as college costs continue to rise, more students will pursue sex work. (On that note, check out Colorlines' take on how the debt deal could mean cuts in aid to poor college students). Aside from making education affordable, the first step to addressing this phenomenon is probably calling it what it is.

I'm sort of torn on issues relating to sex work, especially in this case. The women all seem to be doing it of their own free will, and I hate telling people they can't choose to do something that doesn't harm others. But at the same time, women who work in the sex trade business usually end up with emotional and mental issues (or worsened ones than they started with). And while I don't think keeping prostitution illegal is the best thing for society, I can't help feeling that it's a tad bit squicky. Anyone disagree? Or care to beat me about the head with some anecdotes?

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#2: Aug 1st 2011 at 1:55:29 PM

I kinda fail to see how this is any different then the age old story of girls becoming strippers to pay for their degree.

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#3: Aug 1st 2011 at 2:22:12 PM
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#4: Aug 1st 2011 at 2:25:30 PM

I'd imagine it's different in the fact that they're not being forced into it against their will (many sex workers aren't doing it because they want to) - but the difference is rather blurry. I'm actually more sympathetic for the 'professional' sex worker. They have it a lot worse.

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#5: Aug 1st 2011 at 2:53:43 PM
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#6: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:01:25 PM

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I think these girls need to find better alternatives to get money to pay for their education.Because I know prostitution can be one dangerous jobs espically since from what I know serial killers always pick off prostitutes because no would care.I just hope they find better ways to fund themselves.

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#7: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:04:14 PM

Yes. How dare they do whatever they have to to pay for ridiculously overpriced educations.

Those stupid cows need to be raped or something and shown their place.

That's terrible. Still now, this is probably not a great thing. More proof that the education system needs reform, anyhow.

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#8: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:04:30 PM

He's lampooning opinions you will honestly hear on the internet, that people say without irony or sarcasm.

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#9: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:04:41 PM

Belle Du Jour did it to fund her PhD.

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#10: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:04:55 PM

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I agree better methods would be preferred. I just resent the implication that College girls are whores simply because some of them turn to selling their bodies to pay for their college.

edited 1st Aug '11 3:05:20 PM by Midgetsnowman

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#11: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:07:57 PM

This is why Community College is so much superior.

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#12: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:08:54 PM

I agree better methods would be preferred. I just resent the implication that College girls are whores simply because some of them turn to selling their bodies to pay for their college.

Isn't "whore" defined as "someone who sells their body?" I thought it was a less-than-civil synonym for "prostitute"...

edited 1st Aug '11 3:10:44 PM by USAF713

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#13: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:14:59 PM

The denotation is "someone who sells their body for money". The connotation of the word, on the other hand, is a strong implication that "they want it that way/they like it." Kind of like slut.

Connotations are tricky because people often have different ones.

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edited 1st Aug '11 3:21:59 PM by deathjavu

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#14: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:22:05 PM

There was a TV show on MTV about sugar babies. They all explicitly refused to have sex, and they weren't sugar baby newbies. I'm not sure how that works, but it worked for them.

edited 1st Aug '11 3:22:27 PM by Grain

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#15: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:36:17 PM

@USAF; technically yes. In practice and common parlance, the word whore means in general "a filthy sex addict who loves fucking as many men as possible because she loves the feel of a cock inside her"

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#16: Aug 1st 2011 at 3:45:35 PM

Well, I'm not sure to what degree this can be considered "voluntary," if they're so desperate for the money. But on the other hand, I suppose it's still their choice to go to college. And I don't have any problem with people choosing to have or not have sex with whichever men or women they want. But I'm still wondering what these sugar daddies say to themselves. Other than that . . .

edited 1st Aug '11 3:45:53 PM by feotakahari

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#17: Aug 1st 2011 at 4:22:48 PM

Prostitution is a form of Slavery. I want it abolished. The Laws against heroin and Prostitution don't stop them happening.

Emancipation Proclamation declared the ex-slaves to be legally free. Ex-slaves only became really free when they had homes and jobs and friends etc.

"Whores with Heart Of Gold spend their money on education so they can get honest jobs." is a standard Sci-Fi trope which happens on Planets whose hat is No Pimps.

edited 1st Aug '11 4:23:23 PM by Trotzky

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#18: Aug 1st 2011 at 4:34:14 PM

[up] And why is prostitution not an "honest job"?

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#19: Aug 1st 2011 at 4:57:00 PM

Because it is a "Form of Slavery" as I mentioned in my previous post. Please. do try to pay attention, Bond.

edited 1st Aug '11 4:58:33 PM by Trotzky

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#20: Aug 1st 2011 at 4:59:29 PM

Let them do what they want.

Somehow there are men out there getting degrees without whoring themselves out, it's not like they don't have any frigging options.

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#21: Aug 1st 2011 at 5:56:42 PM

If the television documentaries on the subject I've seen are any indication, Sugar Daddies—while completely insufferable—aren't really doing anything "bad", either against the law or anything I'd classify as forced.

Because it is a "Form of Slavery" as I mentioned in my previous post. Please. do try to pay attention, Bond.

How is prostitution a form of slavery? I mean, it can be, but it's not by default. Not when the people involved are doing it willingly.

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kashchei Since: May, 2010
#22: Aug 1st 2011 at 7:48:18 PM

The article is misleading. Hunter is a CUNY, meaning that their tuition is no more than, at most, six grand a year. An income of $3000 a month will certainly help with education, but it will cover much more beside.

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#23: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:14:48 PM

Plus books, food, rent etc you can pay up to 15 grand a year depending on where you end up so making good money to essentially be a paid girlfriend isn't so bad.

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#24: Aug 1st 2011 at 8:28:15 PM

I agree that prostitution can be a form of slavery (just read a Punisher plot arc where he shot up sex slavers) but in this case I would hardly call it that. Hell if some rich guys are willing to cover their girlfriends tuition, more power to the girls. As long as they are being treated well, and not abused, I don't see much harm in this.

It's like a reverse Sam Axe Method.

Tongpu Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Aug 1st 2011 at 9:36:58 PM

The Huffington Post reports that outside the U.S., a handful of scholars in the United Kingdom recently examined shifting patterns of sexual behavior among college students tied to rising amounts of debt. They fear that as college costs continue to rise, more students will pursue sex work. (On that note, check out Colorlines' take on how the debt deal could mean cuts in aid to poor college students). Aside from making education affordable, the first step to addressing this phenomenon is probably calling it what it is.
Humbug. Whatever you call it, people choosing to trade sex for money is not a phenomenon that needs to be addressed. It's a means to an end. Things to address are drug addiction, sex trafficking, the cost of education, the cost of living, and other factors which remove choice from the situation or limit a person's access to viable alternative means of achieving the same ends.

And while I don't think keeping prostitution illegal is the best thing for society, I can't help feeling that it's a tad bit squicky. Anyone disagree?
I don't find the idea of these students "turning tricks for tuition" squicky, if that's what you mean. Frankly, it's rather difficult for me to be squicked out by anything involving college-age girls having sex. The fact that these particular girls are getting a college education out of the deal makes it even more difficult.


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