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Wow, seriously? Beck isn't even doing a ratings stunt anymore, seeing as he's not on TV. Now I think he might be Alex Jones' lab-created equally-mad arch-nemesis.
Yeah, let's get back to the topic. I'm glad it won't be too much of a media circus, all in all. It won't affect the outcome, but it will give him more publicity than he deserves.
edited 25th Jul '11 3:18:52 PM by DomaDoma
Hail Martin Septim!
It's also likely it was denied to protect him against any would-be assassins as well.
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It is perfectly possible to hold mixed views about a subject, for anyone who's not constrained to black and white thinking.
Yes you can, if you were to believe that Hitler was a political and oratory genius whilst being opposed to how he applied his gifts.
You have confused doublethink with Cognitive Dissonance, perhaps.
If you would read my posts more carefully, I don't agree with all of his views. Of course, I held my views well before ABB's attack. Unfortunately ABB's actions by proxy, will be used to speak for people who hold similar (NOT IDENTICAL) views.
Again, I can't exactly ignore his presence. Especially when he is seen to speak for I and people whose views are held as similar.
Most of the Al Qaeda bombers are trained footsoldiers. They have an extensive support network, and have been indoctrinated intensely. For someone to do such a thing on mostly his own initiative is quite impressive. I would not say the same thing for copycat attacks which only emulate the original method.
I know, and I recognise peaceful, constructive efforts much, much more. It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction. I am not engaging in doublethink by recognising talent.
Imagine what this man could have achieved if at an earlier age he had turned his talents to elected politics. Although maybe he would have turned out just as much of a callous psychopath, perhaps a more dangerous one.
It looks like I've been subject to a few personal attacks. This thread has stooped quite low.
edited 25th Jul '11 4:03:08 PM by Shichibukai
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All over Norway this afternoon, people gathered for ceremonies to remember the victims. In Oslo, more than 200 000 people gathered. People have walked in processions with torches (which are common in Norway when people want to make a statement of some kind) in pretty much every single place in the nation, from small villages to the capital of Oslo.
What is inspiring about all this is that it shows such a great display of unity. People are coming together, from all ethnicities and all walks of life, to honor the victims and display their united front against the ideals of this man. In my own naive way I'm thinking that if only this unity between people can last, then something good will have come out of this tragedy. I know things will be back to normal soon, but it's good to see people gathering and uniting even if only for a little while, considering this unity was what this man opposed so vehemently.
On a serious note, Norway's reactions to these crimes has been inspiringly level-headed and simply beautiful.
My apologies for the Mood Whiplash.
edited 25th Jul '11 4:48:05 PM by MatthewTheRaven
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And he complains that the thread's derailed. Where was that discussion supposed to take us? "It's okay to admire a man's talent for snuffing out as many lives as possible." Well, that's fair.
But it's not constructive to ponder that. Much less talk about it. Unless we consider a bloody revolution to 'reclaim' Europe constructive. Speaking only for myself, I want no part.
Back on the subject. The reactions to the Norway shooter (among other recent tragedies overseas) have shown me that not only could the U.S. generate a ruthless zealot like Breivick, it probably will. We simply do not give a shit.
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Didn't we already? With Timothy McVeigh?
edited 25th Jul '11 5:41:56 PM by MatthewTheRaven
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Heh. He actually claimed he was unaware that the daycare was populated.
I'm almost inclined the believe the dumb hick.
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As a Norwegian, this saddens me to the core. so many hard working and bright youths... all dead because of one fucker! Even sadder since he's norwegian as well. We do not have lifetime sentences over here (at least not to my knowledge) but I'd love for an exception to be made for this guy! At least he's denied the open court hearing he wanted!
That said, I don't have anything against the lawyer who's defending this bastard. He's just doing his job, being professional, to make sure it's a fair trial. I don't think that the culprit is going to get off lightly anyways.
I didn't participate in any of the events that have been going on, but I sure wish that I did! 
edited 25th Jul '11 7:27:18 PM by Folt
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Gunpla is amazing!
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What. The. Fuck.
He said he was doing this against the Muslim immigration? How the fuck does that involve killing 70+ KIDS?
Death is too good for this bastard.
Warlock Necromancer
Well said.
If we're going to think up fates worse than death then I'm all for shocking him in the balls. Repeatedly.
edited 25th Jul '11 7:31:35 PM by Folt
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No it isn't.
The truly frightening thing? Though many disagree with his actions, they agree with his desire to defend Europe from the Muslim invaders. This saddens me the most because it means nothing will be learned from this tragedy.
Though if someone were to assassinate him, I'm not going to deny I'll feel happy.
edited 25th Jul '11 7:32:44 PM by ninjaclown
Three-Puppet Saluter
Because every political view has to be equated with the biggest mass murderer who supported it. I agree with Hitler that law and order is one of the principal functions of government. So?
Hail Martin Septim!
Gunpla is amazing!
This is one aspect of European politics I'm glad to be ignorant of.
The fact that people even go "Hey we hate how you slaughtered a shitton of innocent children but woo yeah fuck them Muslims!" makes my blood boil
How about they go "This monster is not one of us"?
edited 25th Jul '11 7:34:24 PM by Thorn14
Let's stay away from revenge fantasies.
Warlock Necromancer
I wonder about how the lives of all those dead youths would turn out in the future... How would they turn out? What would they achieve? How much of future history would be different?
Gunpla is amazing!
I know, its just usually what people think about when they catch a Complete Monster alive.
I imagine they are/ gonna make an exception to its "can only hold for so much time" rule.
edited 25th Jul '11 7:42:23 PM by Thorn14
Maybe there's an alternate world where this never happened...that's not going to be of much comfort though, I can assure you.
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Actually, we do have something of a lifetime punishment, but not quite. It's called "Forvaring".
I imagine they will sentence him to that.
edited 25th Jul '11 7:46:09 PM by Folt
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Gunpla is amazing!
I see.
I've heard some things (I dont believe it) that because of how the country does jails (promote rehabilitation over punishment) he'll have life in a 'cushy' prison, or as my dad put it (TV, 3 meals a day, and sunlight)
I wonder how it will go.
I'm frightened by his claim to be part of a new "Knights Templar" international terrorist organization.
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A terrorist group specializing in protecting pilgrims and banking?
Wish I was making this up.
If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common
I wish I never mentioned what Mr Beck had to say on the subject. Oh well, back on topic, The Norwegian nutjob had his application for an open court rejected.
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