I know who killed JFK! It was Colonel Mustard, in the conservatory, with the candlestick.
Seriously though, there likely is no conspiracy. John F. Kennedy was shot by a single gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald from the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. As tragic as his death was, it was not a part of a massive conspiracy orchestrated by any of the following: the Federal Reserve, FBI, CIA, Secret Service, the Joint Chief of Staff, Lyndon Johnson, Jackie Kennedy, George H. W. Bush, the Mafia, the American Fact-Finding Committee, the Girl Scouts of America, Cuban exiles, the Cuban government, South Vietnam, the Vatican or JFK himself.
I have yet to be presented with any evidence that suggests a conspiracy and the evidence that I do have seems to point directly against such a scenario.
edited 19th Jul '11 9:43:37 AM by Pentadragon
Well lets see. He was assasinated, check. He is slightly more important then a normal citizen, check. It was mentioned in the media more than 3 times, check.
Clearly this was a super secret conspiracy by the new world order since JFK found out that the American goverment was going to cause 9/11. After he fought several lizard people and Jews, he was caught while trying to enlighten all of those sheeple, the inferior beings. They then cloned him and used the clone to stage an assasination.
The real JFK is still alive due to plot convenience and is in advanced stasis just waiting to awake into this horrible new world so that he can finally have his own action movie.
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DUMB
There's a lack of evidence. One guy's son comes forward and says his dad said he was in a conspiracy. But I haven't read this memoir, so.
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What lack of evidence??? All the evidence is right there! You have a gun, a shooter, a shot location, the path of the bullet, the corpse, and the the film that he was shot. This is the one conspiracy I never understood.
Please.
DUMB
Lack of evidence that Mr. Hunt was in a conspiracy to kill JFK. Please read more carefully.
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Lover of masks.
His claim goes against all known evidence meaning there is evidence he is full of shit.
edited 19th Jul '11 10:49:10 AM by TheDeadMansLife
Please.
Actually, looking further, there is counter-evidence. And counter-counter-evidence and counter-counter-counter-evidence.
The second article, by Joseph J. Trento and Jacquie Powers, appeared in the Wilmington, Delaware Sunday News Journal six days later. It alleged that the purported memo was initialed by Richard Helms and James Angleton and showed that, shortly after Helms and Angleton were elevated to their highest positions in the CIA, they discussed the fact that Hunt had been in Dallas on the day of the assassination and that his presence there had to be kept secret. However, nobody has been able to produce this supposed memo, and the United States President's Commission on CIA activities within the United States determined that Hunt had been in Washington, D.C. on the day of the assassination.[37]
Hunt sued Liberty Lobby—but not the Sunday News Journal—for libel. Liberty Lobby stipulated, in this first trial, that the question of Hunt's alleged involvement in the assassination would not be contested.[38] Hunt prevailed and was awarded $650,000 damages. In 1983, however, the case was overturned on appeal because of error in jury instructions.[39] In a second trial, held in 1985, Mark Lane made an issue of Hunt's location on the day of the Kennedy assassination.[40] Lane successfully defended Liberty Lobby by producing evidence suggesting that Hunt had been in Dallas. He used depositions from David Atlee Phillips, Richard Helms, G. Gordon Liddy, Stansfield Turner, and Marita Lorenz, plus a cross-examination of Hunt. On retrial, the jury rendered a verdict for Liberty Lobby.[41] In spite of Lane's claim that he convinced the jury that Hunt was a JFK assassination conspirator, most of the jurors who were interviewed by the media said they disregarded the conspiracy theory and judged the case (according to the judge's jury instructions) on whether the article was published with "reckless disregard for the truth."[42] Lane outlined his theory about Hunt's and the CIA's role in Kennedy's murder in a 1991 book, Plausible Denial.[43]
Some people that believe JFK was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy have suggested that two of the three tramps that marched through Dealey Plaza in the wake of the assassination to be Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, although several other men, Charles Harrelson for example, were also identified as tramps. The mystery was thought to be solved in the early 1990s when researcher Mary La Fontaine discovered documents identifying the men as Harold Doyle, John Forester Gedney, and Gus W. Abrams. Both the F.B.I. and independent researchers confirmed the identifications.[44] The Mitrokhin Archive[45] by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, on the evidence supplied by Mitrokhin's transcribed versions of Top Secret KGB files, alleges that the Soviet Union was principal in falsely connecting E. Howard Hunt to the Kennedy Assassination. Those allegations contradict the House Select Committee on Assassinations final report. The Committee concluded that there was no evidence to prove Soviet Union/KGB involvement.[46] Mitrokhin alleges, for example, that the KGB recruited and provided secret financial support for Mark Lane and other conspiracy theorist authors, including Carl Aldo Marzani and Joachim Joesten.[47]
Hunt was also the addressee of a letter, purportedly from Oswald, dated two weeks before the assassination. Andrew and Mitrokhin state that the letter was a hoax, carefully created by the KGB to implicate Hunt and the CIA, based upon a belief that Hunt had been in Dallas on the day of the assassination. The letter was accepted as genuine by Oswald's widow and left the House Select Committee on Assassinations (1978) unable to verify or discredit its authenticity. Eventually it appeared in the American press, though some assumed the "Mr. Hunt" to whom it was addressed to be the oil magnate H. L. Hunt, whom the Kremlin first suspected of plotting the assassination.[48]
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I'll admit, I've always been a lot more open to this conspiracy than many others, probably because of the large number of somewhat suspicious circumstances surrounding the case.
The gunman is murdered before his trial.
The gunman's murderer is murdered before his trial.
And a whole bunch of other stuff.
Is it conclusive? No. Is it worth examining? Certainly. Is there any evidence left that could make this definitely a conspiracy? I wonder. Unfortunately, there's not really a whole lot that could make it less suspicious, because random chance or not, a bunch of weird things happened surrounding this event.
I guess I'm ambivalent, as boring as that sounds.
edited 19th Jul '11 1:38:48 PM by deathjavu
Look, you can't make me speak in a logical, coherent, intelligent bananna.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Would you be so kind as to condense the wall of text to key points.
There was a rather interesting special where they used ballistic gel with simulated bones and organs to simulate shooting Kennedy. They were able to nearly produce the exact same wounds with two exceptions. They hit two ribs instead of one and it didn't penetrate the simulated thigh. They believed because they had hit that second rib the bullet had lost the sufficient energy to created the final wound. They used the exact same weapon type. One shooter Mr Oswald.
By far the most believable show of the one shooter which is what was decided by official investigations. Now as to whether or not he was killed by an agency or organization is where we get the odd stuff.
Who watches the watchmen?
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I saw that one, it was pretty cool.
They had a professional doing the shot, though, which to my understanding Oswald was not.
Of course, it's much more difficult to replicate someone else's shot than just to hit a target.
By the way, when do the archives open up to allow the public to look at the official stuff? I seem to remember something about that, and that it was sometime soon.
edited 19th Jul '11 1:58:57 PM by deathjavu
Look, you can't make me speak in a logical, coherent, intelligent bananna.
Lover of masks.
Yeah. Oswald was not professional, but he could still shoot. What people keep forgetting is Oswald was trying to do a trick shot, he was just trying to kill the president. He wasn't trying to land "his shot", just any shot. And it took three bullets to do the job.
Actually I think Oswald was in the army. Not for marksmanship, but still had weapons training.
Most of the official stuff is open to public records.
edited 19th Jul '11 2:01:36 PM by TheDeadMansLife
Please.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Oswald was actually a U.S. Marine. His rifle training was thorough enough to do what he needed to do. He hit a moving target three times at intermediate range with fatal or casualty inducing hits. That is actually pretty good. He scored Sharpshooter and Marksmen respectively which makes him roughly average to a good shot.
His history in the corps shows he had quite a few problems.
edited 19th Jul '11 2:25:26 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?
Lover of masks.
NVM. Miss read.
edited 19th Jul '11 2:26:23 PM by TheDeadMansLife
Please.
Bibliophile.
Speaking of John Fitzgerald Kennedy's assassination, I heard that a couple days before he was shot, JFK injured his back and had to wear a back brace, which, during the fateful ride prevented him from ducking or moving out of the way when he was shot.
Can anyone verify this story?
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Wouldn't have mattered much the limousine was open topped with Oswald firing from a position of elevation down into the limo.
edited 19th Jul '11 3:27:19 PM by TuefelHundenIV
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According to a documentary I saw the brace could be responsible for the "odd" ballistics that cause people to believe the Oswald wasn't the killer or that he used a "magic" bullet or whatever.
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Which part the part with the shirt bullet hole and body bullet hole not matching up?
Vid of that special with the gelatin torso shot.
edited 19th Jul '11 4:20:24 PM by TuefelHundenIV
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Yes. JFK had a brace on ("War injury" he said. The reality: touch football), and all Jackie would've needed to have done was yank him forward to save his life.
Ironically, he was already dying and probably would have personally chosen a mythic exit than dying in a hospital bed.
I'm a skeptical squirrelWell, no. He had Addison's Disease, which was what the brace was for, but it was not an immediate threat to his life.
Kennedy's health would have been in similar health in 1968 as he was in 1960. Addison's is like diabetes: incurable, life-shortening but manageable. He was being treated with medication and physical therapy throughout his Presidency.
That said, Kennedy was in intense pain nearly every day of his life. He would likely have survived into the 1980s, but it would have been a very unpleasant existence filled with constant suffering. If nothing else, you have to admire the man for his determination. Like FDR, he did everything in his power to hide his medical condition from the press and with a few minor exceptions, succeeded.
edited 19th Jul '11 7:43:23 PM by Pentadragon
I still like my co-worker's theory about the JFK assassination.
It's a huge hoax, JFK never died. He just went into hiding, grew a huge beard and joined ZZ Top.
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JFK is Castro. That's why the CIA want Castro dead so bad. Because they are afraid that one day Kennedy will reveal himself.
Please.
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You know, I went to Dealey Plaza, and looked around. I concluded that there was no way a second gunman could have been on the "grassy knoll" (really a wall at the top of a short, grassy slope) without every single person there seeing him clearly and unambiguously. It's so open and near to the street, the secret service would likely have seen him before he had the chance to shoot anyone.
By the way, I strongly recommend "Reclaiming History" by skeptic Vincent Bugliosi for anyone interested in this. It's massively referenced.
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That's pretty cool.
When was this, though? The layout might have been different back then.
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Honestly it's just dumb. People look at the video, they THINK they see someone on the grassy knoll, the see the "forward, then back" thing and automatically think it means the shot couldn't have come from Oswald's spot.
The "figure" in the background on the grassy knoll is too big to be a person, it's just an optical illusion created by trees.
There's no magic bullet either.
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Inspired by the "Conspiracy Theories (meta)" thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt#JFK_conspiracy_allegations_and_death
I'm particularly interested in this. Is there any counterevidence?
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