General Digimon Topic

One: What does Toei have to do with anything?

Two: What is Plesiomon's deal? Or, in other words, which show does it come from and which human character is it partnered with?

Three, which is completely unrelated to the previous: Does Devimon have proper digivolutions defined for it? I've checked Wikimon, and unlike Lady Devimon it seems that practically all of the "official" digivolutions (the ones in bold) always involve Jogress; the only one that doesn't is from V-Tamers and involves using Arkadimon's data in the creation process (i.e. it's not natural... which kinda fits the species' appearance and lore emphasizing its artificial nature).

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Toei is the company that makes the anime so they're the ones who decide which Digivolutions are canon to the anime; Plesiomon isn't in any show but in one of the games that explains Ryo's backstory it's Gomamon's mega; and Digivolution levels very from media to media so there is no such thing as a "proper" Digivolution family.

Plesiomon was Joe's Gomamon's final form in the Adventure Expanded Universe: Digivices, games, etc... Until the PSP game happened. Vikemon was Armadillomon's final form, because of reasons.

Neo Devimon and Daemon are perfectly fine Devimon evolutions, as is the Myotismon line (which usually has Devimon as its Adult).

tri's CSA digivice uses Holydramon for Tailmon's ultimate level, while having Vikemon for Gomamon's. Plus, even though Ofanimon is used in the PSP game, there are unused strings for descriptions of Holydramon's attacks, so she was considering for Tailmon's ultimate level, while no such data exists for Plesiomon.

Tailmon is not in as clear a situation as Gomamon, but Holydramon is her most recently used Ultimate, and in tri's merchandise too, so if she does achieve Ultimate in tri, it's probably going to be her, and not Ofanimon.

Which is a damn shame, because Holydramon is disconnected from the line like Plesiomon was from its.

Riiiiight. I'd like you to try that logic with the Greymon-species or Ange(wo)mon-species Digivolution lines. That seems like a recipe for a Flame War, and for good reason; I for one would despise any attempt at declaring a deviation from the "Agumon —> Greymon —> MetalGreymon —> WarGreymon" formula as the "official" proper/natural Digivolution line for Agumon/Greymon. Variant forms like BlackWarGreymon or SkullGreymon are acceptable alternative paths to the same-level normal equivalents, but that's it; they're alternate paths, not normal ones.

This.

edited 25th Oct '16 6:32:11 AM by MarqFJA

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You know, that logic is valid. There are evolution nets, Digimon has ALWAYS been that way, and Metal Greymon, from the very first V-Pet, could evolve from 'mons other than Greymon. EVERYTHING is a valid path, because that's what the franchise is based on. Trying to deny it is a display of lack of knowledge.

edited 25th Oct '16 7:51:36 AM by Eriorguez

While I'd definitely hate the idea of using Holy / Magnadramon instead of Ophanimon for Gatomon / Tailmon's Mega, even in universe Gennai said that there's no right or wrong when it comes to evolution (using the Skullgreymon incident as an example).

I think both Toei and Bandai run with that as well.

That being said, you all know my reasons for wanting Ophanimon are rather petty, so feel free to take my words with a grain of salt.

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Valid is one thing. What I'm talking about is another.

Put another way, I do think it's quite possible for a Digimon other than Agumon to digivolve into Greymon, and for Greymon to digivolve into something that is not part of the Greymon series. What I dispute is the idea that all digivolution lines for a given individual Digimon species are equal to each other.

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Well you are wrong..

How so?

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Because the franchise is based on that.

I think you guys may just have to agree to disagree on this.

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That seems to be for the best. Though to be honest, I'm suspecting that there may be some miscommunication happening.

New topic: Wouldn't it be cool if they made an anime in which all of the previously introduced variations on Digivolution get used within the same setting?

edited 25th Oct '16 12:15:11 PM by MarqFJA

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Honestly, that sounds like an animator's nightmare, not to mention the budget for all of the evolution sequences.

I suppose if they could think of why all these methods exist in one setting.

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for what it's worth, the Digivice ver. 10th, which mostly aligns to what we've seen for Tri. so far, uses Holydramon instead of Ofanimon.

I personally prefer Ofanimon because I'm rather tired of Tailmon and Hikari being treated solely as Takeru and Patamon's girl counterparts.

If you don't want them to be the female counterparts to Takeru / TK and Patamon, then wouldn't you prefer Holy / Magna Dramon instead?

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I meant to say Holydramon. I mistyped.

Speaking of evolution scenes, and this is a problem that the new appmon series shares, it's a pity that they automatically break the pacing of the fight if you use them yet are such a fundamental characteristic of the show. They're meant among other things to pad out the time so you have less to animate in each episode, and it works in magical girl shows because they usually take place before the action.

However in digimon they only really fit in when it's the first time they reach the level, because they are in themselves the payoff that the fight was building up to. Afterwards it can be rather painful to watch when, for example, the fight is getting ugly for our heroes and then all the urgency of the situation disappears while we wait for the sequence we have seen before to finish.

In appmon this applies essentially to the appliarise and applink sequences, which together can take up to 2 minutes nearly back to back. The only real solution is by basically reducing the sequence to split second shots, like the tamers movie did with the card slash sequences, but that defeats the purpose of padding out the episode to save the budget.

edited 26th Oct '16 4:00:44 PM by lgcruz

Anyone else really love this scene? I know a lot of people find "Hey Digimon" annoying, but I really like it here.

That scene's great.

In the original Japanese.

If I never hear "Hey Digimon" again, it'll be too soon.

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This scene is also part of why I think regular Myotismon, by the end, is Mega-tier. It took a Super Effective Ultimate, amped by six other Ultimates and a Super Effective Champion, to drop him. The Ultimate-Mega gap is pretty big but it doesn't seem like it should be bigger than that.

edited 26th Oct '16 6:18:03 PM by HamburgerTime

I've always wondered if he always had the ability to go Mega but avoided it due to the loss of reason.

I mean, he did have that little trick ready to go pretty quickly. Too quickly for something that seemed to just happen at random.

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Vamdemon seems to be as to Ultimates what Tailmon is to Champions; he's so leveled-up from combat experience that he's a Mega in effective power.

... Say, anyone got any ideas why the English localizers downgraded "Ultimate" from being the very highest level to the second highest, and putting in its place "Mega"? It's illogical, given the meaning of the word "ultimate" is "last, final". I could grudgingly swallow changing "Child" and "Adult" to "Rookie" and "Champion", but not "Perfect" and "Ultimate" to "Ultimate" and "Mega".

edited 27th Oct '16 9:10:14 AM by MarqFJA

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