All Purpose Naruto Fanfiction Thread

And yet again, you're assuming you're dealing with any random Joe, when this is not the case. Praise him, and Naruto will get a swollen head. Don't, and he'll be motivated to make you praise him.

And if he does, and you don't praise him still? Won't that make him turn bitter, or disillusioned, or uninterested in the activity that doesn't really pay back, or turn to somebody who's actually nice to him? I don't believe that, in this story, Naruto is so starved for attention, that interacting with Orochimaru during training is enough to make him infinitely loyal.

It is Naruto. He's kinda bad at giving up.

Of course, you two seem to think that what I'm saying is that he should never receive any kind of positive reinforcement, which is moronic. I'm saying that he should receive it sparingly and only when he is performing at a high level. Praise him for doing anything other than his absolute and very best, and you're doing him a disservice.

That is what being a good teacher entails when you're trying to get Naruto to not waste his potential.

Well, you should have started with this. Because, well, from a cynic one expects to be cynical.

Then you're praising him wrong, even in canon he responds well to praise without getting a swell head. You don't have to suck his dick when you're telling him he did a good job.

Yeah man, you should have said that earlier. You were making it sound like giving him no praise was the way to go.

edited 5th Sep '15 11:12:03 AM by Ironypus

Being cynical doesn't involve being a negative Neal every moment of the day.

If you want Naruto to excel, you'll have to manipulate him to do it.

And the way to do so is to keep praise minimal, so that it's all the more meaningful and motivating when it does happen.

In canon, Naruto is horribly lazy.

edited 5th Sep '15 11:52:35 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

Not really a Negative Neal, but we're kinda used to you being a Grumpy Gonzalo. So, I'd think that only half of that misinterpreting would be our fault.

In manganime in general, sparingly used positive feedback seems to yield better results at teaching than regularly given positive feedback. That's why Training from Hell to degrees we'd qualify as child abuse of the physical and psychological varieties is so frequent and effective in the medium.

I always find it amusing that there people that try to crossover Naruto with Toriko.

They think that end of series Naruto would be top tier in Toriko............

I can see this happening to him if he tried to "play" with Bambina like the heavenly kings did.◊

edited 5th Sep '15 3:43:33 PM by Demongodofchaos2

End of the series Naruto, I will tell my opinion about using him a fanfic: drop a big ass rock in him in the first five minutes. The same with Sasuke.

Too OP, must kill. That's my rule with OP characters: they must die or be massively depowered as fast as they show up. I'm like a Metroid developer, you can't keep your power-ups that turn the plot into a joke under my watch.

There are people who genuinelly think Naruto can take Goku in a fistfight, dood.

The Naruto fandom's particularly bad about the whole "my character can beat yours!" thing.

I have a very low opinion of anyone who involves himself in this kind of debate. It's not very productive, it's only a popsicle's measuring contest. I care about power levels as long they produce some diffculty for me to think in cross-overs. Nothing more, nothing less.

I actually believe them.

It's not like in pure physical strength, Goku is really all that strong. It's his ki that enhances him that way when he transforms. Hell, most of Toriko itself outclasses the physical strength of Dragon Ball characters with ease, especially the top tiers.

Well, good for you, but...

I think what he means that in base form, without any Ki augmentation or 'appetite' augmentation, the characters of Toriko are higher on the physical strength chart.

Same with One Piece I guess.

Haha, no. I can easily see Naruto punching Goku in the face with his strongest punch, like the one he beat Toneri with only stronger since he had been drained of chakra beforehand, and Goku would just barely feel it.

Though Goku would say something along the lines of 'That punch wasn't half bad' before beating Naruto easily.

edited 6th Sep '15 9:02:47 AM by Archivist10

Okay...

I don't see Goku having the physical strength to to jump into the mesosphere in one second in a soft jump just to take a nap in his restrained form◊, or have the reaction time to dodge a shockwave from a tail swipe that goes into space and across 220,000 kilometer sized version of almost instantly.◊ While still in a playful mood, and not even having bulked up yet.

And that's just the mid tier when it comes to toriko's top tiers, with the strongest king of the gourmet world being a Whale as big as a moon with the power over black holes, and a tiny piece of the possible final villain being able to devour all life forms on earth.◊....

edited 6th Sep '15 10:29:03 AM by Demongodofchaos2

Dood, not one of us was talking about Toriko. The comparison I made was always with Naruto, and I have no idea why you keep bringing up a third series where the defining characteristic is how over the top it is, which is what its fans love it for.

The clip of Cell saying that you're wrong has less to do about the comparison to Toriko, and more about how you're wrong about the characters not being that strong.

I'd like to remind you that the DBZ characters are able to hurt each other with their fists. I'd also like to remind you that those same bodies regularly tank planet busting ki blasts.

@Archivist

Definitely. Goku would automatically suppress his power to Naruto's level so they could fight evenly, and if Naruto gives a good enough showing, Goku would offer to train him.

Naruto wouldn't accept, mind you, but Goku would offer the training nonetheless.

edited 6th Sep '15 10:49:08 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

If Naruto thought there was a possibility that he might have to fight enemies on par with Goku then he might consider.

BTW would Goku be vulnerable to Naruto's Truth Seeking Orbs and the Tsuchikage's Dust release for that matter?

The Truth Seeking Orbs aren't antimatter. They're immensely effective against chakra-wielding opponents, but I doubt they'd be much good against something that is fundamentally alien to them.

As for the dust release... most likely, yes. While it is true that there's a limit to how much stuff it can disintegrate, its effects seem to wholly bypass physical toughness. It's entirely possible it could be countered with a ki barrier, but there's just as much evidence to support that as there's evidence to support Dust Release just going through anyway, since it's more like an applied effect than a raw damage thing.

So yeah, it's entirely likely Dust Release could work on Goku.

Vegetto could No-Sell it, but that's because the rules of the universe roll over and play dead when he's involved in something (he managed to actually block magic with Ki, something which had been flat out impossible until that point).

As for the training...

If these opponents were in the horizon, then Naruto would be fucked either way - he's not going to come up to Goku's level any time soon. The fact that he's human to begin with isn't helping him any. At best you're looking at a potential powerlevel of 75,000, the confirmed powerlevel peak for the strongest human ever in Dragon Ball.

Sure, it might seem like very little, but remember: That's significantly more than powerful enough to Planet Bust. Slightly over three times over, in fact (Vegeta, the weakest Planet Buster in the series, can do it with a Galick Gun that had a powerlevel of roughly 24,000).

Ultimately, Naruto is not a Saiyan, and he won't go train for the sake of training. He trains to achieve an objective. If there is no incentive to train, then Naruto simply won't.

edited 6th Sep '15 4:39:27 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

But the TSO (Truth Seeking Orbs) are shown to be capable to disintegrate matter as shown with the shuriken the Third launched (sure most were shadow clones, but there were real ones too IIRC), Obito got half disintegrated and Minato's Kunai.

So it seems they can eliminate matter.

What's the point of using an acronym if you're just going to write out the whole name in parenthesis next to it anyways?

It's to point out that, from this point on, you'll be using the acronym to refer to the term in parenthesis.

Honestly, for the sake of my sanity, it's just better to assume ki equals chakra. They're perfectly similar equivalents.

Well, except for the part where chakra comes from the fruit of the god tree. Unless you follow the theory that the god tree is the Tree of Might.

FUCK THE GOD TREE!

God, I want to forget the entire last 100 hapters happened.

The fact is, people in Naruto are born with chakra now, so the origin is irrelevant. In fact, animals seem to have chakra too without explanation, that is something Kishimoto will never explain because he have no explanation in his pocket, he's an 14-year old Sasuke fangirl in terms of writing. He just pulled that Tree out of his ass in first place.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:10:25 PM by MeetTheNewBoss

Yo, Archivist, I want you to think reeeal hard about what exactly composed everything that the Third Hokage had on him.

He could not possibly have thrown a 'real' Shuriken because he could not possibly have real shuriken, everything he has is a chakra construct made with Edo Tensei or through his Shadow Clone variant.

Then again, this is the same fandom that thinks Naruto can somehow dodge at light speed even though we don't even have confirmation of them breaking the sound barrier.