All Purpose Naruto Fanfiction Thread

You're using a certain specific set of rules for magic and insisting they apply here when there's no proof.

I think someone is proooo-ooojectiiinnnng...

When it comes to Naruto, a setting where there's no actual 'magic', it's not like you have a foot to claim Naruto would have more endurance against it than any other person.

Why do you call him out on using DC Rules when you are using Other Manganime Rules just as gleefully it not moreso?

Again, double standards plz.

Also, when I said tutoring, it could varied from Eva just telling him the basic up to personal Training from Hell if she finds it's worth the time. As far as I read, Eva is... anti-social, yes, but if you prove yourself to her, then she might helps you, if only because she finds you pitiful.

... no. Hell no. You, you don't understand Eva's character at all, do you?

Evangeline is well used to stand around both 'pitiful' and 'worth the time of anyone who would give a shit' characters. 3-A is a huge source of both types. And for the most part, she never cares about helping them. Basically, the only one she's ever taken the time to help and train is Negi, who is a gigantic reminder of the man she loved, and Touta, who is a gigantic reminder of Negi. The only reason why she bothers to let Ala Alba come along into Negi's training is because they come with Negi, and Negi won't leave them behind (even if only because they force him to). She didn't even teach Karin anything, and Karin was a devoted as hell sycophant who faithfully served her for years and had tons of potential.

The joke is, he's calling me out on using DC magic rules when I am quite clearly not using DC magic rules, rather, I am making the comparison under Negima's rules, which is the system under which the spell being discussed works.

IIRC, this actually has a specific name, when you move the discussion from the actual matter, but I can't remember it. Anyway, the point is, what he's trying to do is to move the discussion away from the original point I made, which is the following:

Naruto possess no form of magical resistance, and as such, Ensis Exsequense would sublimate him just as easily as it would sublimate any muggle from Harry Potter or any given Kryptonian or any given Saiyan.

Also, regarding the "would Eva train Naruto" question, the answer is simply no she wouldn't.

To start with, he's already too strong for her to take an interest in him as an apprentice.

Another thing is that he would irritate her. To her, at best he would simply be a cheap knockoff of Nagi and at worst he'd be an even more irritating knockoff of Albireo.

edited 24th May '15 6:59:00 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

Goalpost moving.

Yeah. That.

Anyway, it's a vain attempt at trying to take attention away from the fact that he has no answer other than his opinion which is based on nothing but which character he would prefer winning a fight.

It's the same reason why he keeps insisting that Naruto is faster than lightning, even though we have no frame of reference to say if he is or isn't. And no, the Raikage is not a frame of reference because the Lightning Armor increased his speed, but it didn't make him as fast as lightning, and we don't know how fast he actually is.

Question: Where did the whole "Naruto wears a jumpsuit thing" come from? For one thing it isn't a jumpsuit. A jumpsuit is a one piece garment. Naruto is clearing wearing a jacket and pair of pants.

Also why do people keep making a big deal about Naruto wearing orange? He has a giant fox inside him! Foxes are orange! It's an Animal Motif!

Because apparently wearing anything other then black is not what ninja's wear. And Naruto is a ninja. Nevermind that most of the ninja in Naruto could care less about stealth or that the series style includes anything from historical to modern Japan. It's pretty much people wanting Nauto to fit into a genre it never was in the first place.

By the by, Naruto doesn't wear Orange because of the fox. He wears it because Goku's got an iconic orange gi.

Also nevermind that no ninja would ever be caught dead wearing something as idiotic as the usual 'totally ninja gear u gaise' that said fanfic writers will promptly put Naruto in.

You know what Ninja wore?

Normal every day clothes. Because their entire schtick was that you wouldn't see them coming. And why wouldn't you see them coming? Because they would wear the disguise of a peasant. By dressing in the ways they do, ninja in Naruto dress closer to how ninja actually dressed than any ninja you ever see wearing a stereotypical 'ninja' outfit.

By the way, those are actually stage-hand outfits. The only reason to ever wear one would be in a theater during a play, when it would actually be effective camouflage.

edited 24th May '15 9:02:49 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

Trust me, I find the irony of people changing the way the ninja dress in Naruto hilarious.

Naruto is exactly what people don't imagine a ninja as. Which is exactly how a ninja should strive to appear.

I think most of why people try to dress them all in black is confusion. At the start of the manga the first ninja we see are wearing a rather dark military uniform, Kakashi wears a mask and there was a fair bit of focus on stealth during his little test which was continued by Zabuza. People saw that and it conflated easily with the stereotypical pop culture catsuit ninja.

It's not that they're idiots, they just got misled and blindsided when Naruto turned out to be Magical Mercenary Simulator: Jesus Beams addition.

Okay, question.

You said that chakra resembles ki, and sage chakra resembles mana. Okay, in Naruto, sage chakra can bypass anything that chakra can offer, while normal chakra... can't.

But here's the thing:

Naruto can use sage chakra because, among other things, his chakra capacity already phenomenal to begin with. I, tend to think, that sage chakra is actually closer to kankaho than mana, on the basis that Naruto can use it and combine it with his own chakra-based technique.

So, no pure mana.

Okay, what I am going to say is that, as you assumed, chakra cannot affect magic based effects, then it's fair to say that magic cannot affect chakra based effect either.

Application term: Just like Naruto can't have Ensis Exsequens touch his body, it's fair to assume that, if Naruto has reason to do that, Evangeline cannot take bijuudama on her face.

Any comment?

IANCE: And I keep telling you that the whole 'magic resistance' thing is ridiculous, since IIRC the only time it was a major actor was when Negi was getting slowly petrified.

Now that would make sense that Naruto having little to no resistance to magic spells like that (although it is possible for Sage mode to provide him protection).

But most spells of offensive nature, there's no reason Naruto's sage mode, ninetails mode or any other can't block them in the simple basis of power.

It being called magic instead of ki or whatever is inconsequential with straight up offensive moves.

Um, Archivist?

No, I have nothing against you, or purposely sucking on IANCE, for that matter, but in the real world, type of power/ energy does count, especially in designing armor/ safety measures.

I mean, DARPA practically has trying to develop feasible direct-energy weapon since LASER shows prominence.

Armor against high-calibre bullets is useless against flamethrower.

Reactive armor does shitagainst EMP.

Your Faraday-Cage-Suit cannot be expected to hold against 9 mm.

Just... sorry.

@R Bomber

Sage Mode does work like Kankaho, which is actually part of the reason why I say that Nature Chakra is very close to mana.

Nature Chakra doesn't play well with Normal Chakra the way Mana doesn't play well with Ki, and requires a special technique that can only be used by someone who's already strong to begin with and requires lots of meditation. They both require one to be fully concentrated and mix them up in equal measure, and a sufficiently skilled user can do them on the fly, but for everyone else it's ridiculously difficult to do so.

As for your assertion that Chakra would bypass magic... that's not really logical in the same way.

If Genjutsu was able to affect people without chakra, and it can't because of how it works, then I'd tell you that yeah, you would need Ki training to defend against it, but Genjutsu is useless against people without chakra coils. Similarly, if they actually had chakra, the characters of Negima wouldn't be able to defend against the Jyuuken without training to do so, which they wouldn't have because they wouldn't have met any Jyuuken user.

However, your example doesn't work on the basis that the Bijuudama is basically a bomb, which can be resisted through physical toughness. It'd be the same if I insisted that the Thousand Thunderbolts can instakill Naruto because he has no Magical Resistance, which simply isn't true, becuase in that case, his physical toughness applies. Similarly, if he knew how, which he doesn't by the way, Naruto could put up a barrier like the ones shown to be used by the alliance to block the attack.

It's not about power. It never was about power.

It's about mechanics.

And because of its mechanics, the Bijuudama could be blocked by a magic user. It's a bomb. Just put something in front of it to block it.

Of course, then you get into the specifics of whether or not they actually can block it, due to its power, and it would depend on the power of the Bijuudama in question as well as the power of the mage blocking it in comparison. But that's a discussion for another time. Ultimately, it's pointless anyway, since no Negima mage would just stand there and tank such a blow. Most of them would just Shundou out of the way.

The Jyuuken can probably still work if the Hyuuga decide to actually use their ability to cause internal damage instead of just hitting the Tenketsu though. Also, the same abilities that are impossible to defend against in the Naruto world would likely still be impossible to defend against. Like the Chakra Scalpels Kabuto used.

Also, dude, you won't be able to convince him that Naruto isn't able to No-Sell everything and create a harem just by showing up at a place with several women.

edited 25th May '15 9:39:14 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

IANCE? You're talking about Naruto Harems more than Archivist does. Either write a fic about that, or I'll start Freud-analyzing you.

I just had this funny mental image of Madara trying to activate the Infinite Tsukiyomi in another world during a crossover event only for nothing to happen.

"I tried to tell you they don't have chakra, but did you listen? No. Crazy Uchiha think they know everything..."

Theoretically Genjustsu (or at least powerful enough genjutsu) can be used on those with mana or ki in them.

Uchiha have used genjutsu to control biju and the biju have no chakra systems with flow to mess with, they are chakra so its clear that all the genjutsu need is something in the head or body of the target to mess with.

And I stand by my view on magic resistance. Aside fron things like reality warping type magic, I just don't see the difference from any other type of shonen mystical fighting power.

edited 25th May '15 12:31:53 PM by Archivist10

"Genjutsu works on chakra-made creatures, therefore, it must work on people with no chakra!"

Genius, that.

@The Nobody

"Naruto is invincible" and "Naruto is The Pornomancer" are both statements that Archivist seems to believe are true. I keep repeating them in an effort to get him to admit the fact that it's due to his personal preference and not any basis on fact.

But that takes away the fun of certain Uchiha using genjutsu on someone only to have it not work. The look on their faces when they realize their error a split second too late…

and I'm saying that their genjutsu will only work on people who have something in their body, coursing through it.

I don't believe Naruto is invincible. I believe he is strong enough by the end of the manga to beat a lot of opponents.

But, do I believe he can beat Goku? Fuck no he won't be able to beat Yamcha.

Do I believe he can beat Galactus? No

Also, I believe that Naruto can be a Chick Magnet, not that he will.

edited 25th May '15 1:11:46 PM by Archivist10

question is the magic in Negima fuelled by mana like most cases with magic.

So if Nature Chakra is close enough or is Mana then sage mode and six paths mode would have some resistance though it would drain those modes snice part of them is protecting yourself. Though if that was the case mode Naruto in base/kyubi mode would be more effects( I give up trying to spell the opposite of resistance)

edited 25th May '15 1:03:22 PM by GOI

Most Male Leads in the Harem Genre I've read all have one trait in common regardless if they're perverts, oblivious too love, have single-target sexuality, etc. they tend to be nice guys when you get down too it. Naruto is a nice guy.

I think it depends on setting, situation, the execution of it. Most importantly who the girls are and how they interact with one another. Most importantly not all Harem Manga/Anime end with the Tenchi Solution. Many authors forget this. The girls' are competing for the guy and we have the First Girl Wins trope for a reason.

However as far as Negima is concerned: Naruto is not in the best position to interact with the girls of 3-A on the same level as Negi so I don't see anything happening there.

If the crossover was Nagasarete Airantou or High School DxD yeah I could see harem antics all over the place and even a possible Tenchi Solution ending.

edited 25th May '15 1:07:14 PM by WorldTurtle2

Nah, actually, I can see him beating Yamcha, even if only because Yamcha never amounted to that much and by the end of the series he's long let himself go to seeds.

Chick Magnet, however... no. See, the thing with saying 'I don't think he will, but he could' is it implies a 'This guy could become a chick magnet if he tried', but if he tried, it only could be because he isn't the same Naruto anymore. Naruto isn't interested on attracting a lot of women, but guess hat? Neither are 90% of manganime proved chick magnets. Including, you know, Sasuke, who, despite all his many, many, many heavy heavy and heavy flaws is a chick magnet. The Naruto who would be changed enough as to try and become a Casanova... just wouldn't be the same Naruto we know anymore.

@ IANCE: Has it ever worked on anybody other than Acrhivist? Or for anybody other than you?