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pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Sneering Imperialist
#1: Jul 13th 2011 at 7:21:59 AM

I saw this article on the BBC and found it quite interesting. The author seems to be arguing that English's malleable quality is the key to its success as a global language while simultaneously bemoaning the absorption of all other English dialects into American English. I suspect that Americans will generally be unaware of differences between the words they use and what other English speakers may use, which is only natural considering that American English appears to currently be the dominant form, so I thought it would be interesting to get some more perspective on it.

This is NOT a discussion about which is the superior version of English and I do not wish to have it derailed into one, so kindly refrain from that.

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Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#2: Jul 13th 2011 at 8:43:23 AM

I accept that estate agents prefer to sell apartments rather than flats - they sound more enticing.

Interesting... in America, "flat" sounds more exotic.

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#3: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:04:11 AM

I love how he implies that "hike" is know longer used as "a walk in the country" (I hear it in that context far more that the "an increase" sense) . And how he objects to terms that have no British versions (hospitalize). And the whole thing reeks of hipocrisy.

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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#4: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:10:36 AM

What a fucking elitist. He is being highly hypocritical as well, likking A Merican words he grew up with, but hating ones he didn't.

edited 13th Jul '11 9:11:17 AM by Erock

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deuxhero Micromastophile from FL-24 Since: Jan, 2001
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#5: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:10:49 AM

BBC?

So I'm to assume this writing is government funded?

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#6: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:11:44 AM

[up]It is, but the government doesn't exact that kind of control.

edited 13th Jul '11 7:21:13 PM by Erock

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#7: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:16:46 AM

[up]

doesn't, by the way.

And no, The BBC isn't directly-Government controlled (it can, and has critised the Government). Just read the article:

The BBC Television Service is very different from most other networks in that it is publicly funded by the UK Television Licence; if you own a TV in the United Kingdom, then you must fund the BBC (to the tune of about £140 per year or, as the BBC likes to put it, 39p a day), unless you can demonstrate to the TV Licence Inspectors that it's not being used to watch broadcast TV at all (no set-top box, no aerial connected). The upshot is that the BBC's programming is advertisement-free (bar trailers between programmes), and thus they can take more risks, although it's been a matter of media, public, and government debate as to whether they're actually doing this. It's also supposed to be free of bias in areas like news reporting, although practically every opposition party has accused it of supporting the current government and at least one government has accused it of the opposite.

edited 13th Jul '11 9:18:08 AM by Greenmantle

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#8: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:55:09 AM

Interesting... in America, "flat" sounds more exotic.

Oh God no - here having an "apartment" makes you sound like some high-flyer with a place in the city centre, while having a "flat" implies that you live in a tenement block.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#9: Jul 13th 2011 at 9:58:40 AM

^ Its the opposite here

Apartment means rundown tenement to "decent, but small place"

Flat on the other hand, brings to mind british decadence. (in other words, soft operatic music in the background, nice furniture, old world style, etc)

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#10: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:00:22 AM

[up]Yeah. Saying that you live in an 'apartment block' makes you sound better than 'live in flats'.

Also, the BBC is taxpaper-funded, but free from government control. State-funded, yes. State-controlled no. It is not a state broadcasting corporation.

abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#11: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:09:35 AM

English is a crazy language, so I don't know what the author means by "malleable quality".

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:18:04 AM

It means she doesn't resist no matter how much you rape her.

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#13: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:21:11 AM

Ha. We can pollute english with our media. Let's do it.

But really this comes off as elitist. What's wrong with wrench I ask you.

Please.
pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Sneering Imperialist
#14: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:24:33 AM

Yeah, I don't really get what's so "vile" about "hospitalise".

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#15: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:39:16 AM

"hospitalise". It sounds good. It's useful. "He got sent to hospital" is a bit of a mouthful. "he got hospitalised" is much, much easier to say, and especially to a close one.

BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#16: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:51:55 AM

Sensationalist elitism from start to finish. Foreign words are invading our language! Now perfectly normal words no longer mean what everyone still uses them to mean! SOON WE WILL EVEN BE WRITING THE DATE THE WRONG WAY AROUND!

Anyway, I'm British, and even I think "e-post" sounds pretty stupid.

Also, I find the assumption that British people know nothing of baseball kind of amusing. We played that in primary school.

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#17: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:54:27 AM

[up]I did baseball (well softball) every year at school!

blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#18: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:55:15 AM

Do you know the Infield Fly Rule? If you don't, then you know NOTHING!

captainbrass2 from the United Kingdom Since: Mar, 2011
#19: Jul 13th 2011 at 10:57:43 AM

I always say I live in a flat, as does my address. My post box claims it's an apartment. Make of that what you will.

Oddly enough, I was actually thinking about the use of "guy" for both sexes this morning, and thinking how convenient it is. There isn't really a word in British English that you can use to address a group of people of both sexes. Having said that, I still can't bring myself to use the word to refer to anyone who isn't male.

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#20: Jul 13th 2011 at 11:00:47 AM

[up] Isn't "guys" normally used to address a group?

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#21: Jul 13th 2011 at 11:02:00 AM

I've noticed that races tend to use "Drivers start your engines" more than "Gentlemen start your engines" or even "Ladies and Gentlemen" and well, I'm sure "Children of All Ages" is not going to come up in any broadcast, but maybe in some local events.

captainbrass2 from the United Kingdom Since: Mar, 2011
#22: Jul 13th 2011 at 11:04:17 AM

[up][up]In British English? Maybe nowadays, but if so, that's fairly recent. There are still people who go completely batshit if you start talking about "the guys", one of whom is my Dad.

edited 13th Jul '11 11:04:40 AM by captainbrass2

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#23: Jul 13th 2011 at 11:07:19 AM

To my mind, "guys" denotes a group containing at least one male individual, while "guy" just means a bloke.

Admittedly, I'm a little rusty on the rules of baseball, but not sufficiently that I don't know what left field, the plate or "three strikes and you're out" mean.

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#24: Jul 13th 2011 at 11:08:58 AM

Well, I refer to the girls I know as "dude" but I never say that to the guys. Make of that what you will.

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#25: Jul 13th 2011 at 11:13:18 AM

I use 'dude' to refer to both sexes, but 'guy' to refer to males.

'guys' and 'dudes' are used to refer to groups, either mixed or not, for me.

Dude also means milk in Sanskrit-based languages.

edited 13th Jul '11 11:13:56 AM by Inhopelessguy


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