DEATH BATTLE

Mind you, the Xel'naga are shitty gods. They get eaten by Zerglings. That's how most of them died the first time around when Amon unleashed the Overmind and the swarm on them.

"Gods" is a bit of a stretch here.

edited 26th Aug '16 9:57:17 AM by CobraPrime

@Tobias Drake

Venom's developed a resistance to heat and sonics, though, and the symbiote's shapeshifting powers have developed beyond just mimicking Spider-Man. Also, Carnage is weak to both fire and sonics- though in the current arc he's traded the latter for a vulnerability to eldritch magic, and despite the symbiote being bonded to its host's blood it's been separated from him in the past.

As far as the effectiveness of stabbing and slashing a symbiote, it depends. Venom's shrugged off being stabbed by Wolverine and Jack O'Lantern, but Toxin impaling Flash severely injured him and Gargan was incapacitated when the Swordsman stabbed him with an energy blade.

That said, the symbiotes can heal their host from injuries - Carnage regrew his body in seconds after Venom decapitated him; whereas Alex needs to consume biomass to heal himself.

edited 26th Aug '16 10:02:45 AM by Arawn999

Super powered beings if you must. But Kerrigan does have an edge on Sylvanas.

I'd love to see Arthas fight too. But against who? Darth Vader? (Again)

edited 26th Aug '16 9:59:36 AM by fasoman1996

Dude, Siegfried from Soul Calibur.

He's Arthas if Arthas had decided to be a hero again.

edited 26th Aug '16 10:04:35 AM by Soble

I'd have gone with Nightmare. Frostmorne vs. Soul Edge. Ice vs. Fire.

edited 26th Aug '16 10:04:44 AM by Arawn999

My guess is that the idea sounded good on paper until they got deep into the research for blazeblue.

Only sort of. Like, sometimes he apes the Hulk instead. Flash has gotten him to do some more advanced tricks like making wings or a barrier, but he's still never displayed the level of versatility that Kasady has with the Carnage symbiote.

He can also exist without a host now, albeit for a limited time - but more than long enough to win or lose a fight - but he seems even more limited in that form. Without Flash, he's basically just permanently in "Discount Hulk" mode.

When was he resistant to heat and sonics? He's not anymore, but "at his strongest" ignores current status.

It has, but that's the point of "taking him at his strongest". In the Maximum Carnage arc, Kasady purged all vulnerability to sonics from his system by permanently bonding to his symbiote, such that it's now in his bloodstream. That later arcs undid it doesn't change the fact that this is part of Kasady's "strongest".

Only to a limited effect. I don't remember Carnage being decapitated; I might have missed that issue. But neither Venom nor Carnage could regenerate their hosts' legs, which is why both Flash and Kasady are dependent on prosthetics now when separated.

And why Carnage U.S.A. ended in a hilarious cripple-fight, with two paraplegics rolling around on the ground trying to stab each other.

edited 26th Aug '16 10:13:41 AM by TobiasDrake

Didn't a Venom powered Doc Ock beat up Thor once?

I don't remember that particular example, but I wouldn't doubt it. A lot of people beat up Thor. He's the Wolverine of the Avengers.

Writers like to Hand Wave it by saying he's always holding back and letting him have the occasional "World of Cardboard" Speech moment of awesome. But the fact is that his W/L record is abysmal, because in a World of Badass, he's one of the guys whose ass you kick to show how badass you are.

edited 26th Aug '16 10:36:26 AM by TobiasDrake

I thought Wolverine was the Wolverine of the Avengers.

Not until Fox can give up the rights.

adding to that. Comics can get pretty bad about worfing characters in general. Like Spider-man beating Firelord or Black Panther putting Silver Surfer in an armbar.

I thought Surfer let Panther do that?

Looking back at it, it's implied. Though the fact that Panther thought it'd work was still super dumb.

I missed the discussion earlier but I would like to note for the record that the idea of Neo vs Kirito is great and the person who came up with it should be congratulated. Even if on closer inspection it turns out to be decidedly uneven either way, I don't care, the concept—clash of the virtual god moders—is brilliant.

Venom decapitated Carnage in Minimum Carnage, and he regrew his body from his severed head. Also, Alice Gleason blew his head off with a shotgun in AXIS: Carnage and he regenerated it in seconds. Cletus was shown with flesh-and-blood legs from the Superior Carnage miniseries up to Nova #27, implying the symbiote did indeed regrow the lower half of his body, only for him to lose his legs blocking the X-Men's bomb in AXIS. As for Flash, I think the Venom symbiote can't regenerate his legs because it was an injury he sustained before bonding to it, one that had already healed.

edited 26th Aug '16 9:35:58 PM by Arawn999

Nothing but quality animation from Torrian

edited 26th Aug '16 9:57:22 PM by FlutterFire

So basically, Venom and Carnage's chances of winning are based on the hosts they acquire? Interesting, I haven't really been keeping up with Venom.

Say, what characters do you think would be a good competitor to Knight Artorias?

Pretty much, seeing as how the stronger Venom's and Carnage's hosts are, the stronger their combined form is. Venom currently doesn't even need a host to fight, and if their present host is killed they can always jump ship to the opponent and win by taking them over. Venom's used that tactic against Anti-Venom and tried to use it against Kaine.

I'd say Guts considering that's who he's based on, but... Heck, why not Arthas vs. Artorias?

edited 27th Aug '16 2:56:30 AM by Arawn999

Who's Arthas?

One of the main protagonists of Warcraft.

*Antagonist*. Not protagonist. If anything, he's anti-hero status formerly, then full-fledged villain later on.

Problem is Guts already fought Nightmare from Soulcalibur. Sure it would be fun for one expy to fight the true inspiration he was based from, but idk if DB would allow former contestants to fight. Also, Arthas seems more OP against Artorias, considering that Frostmourne is an easy counterattack to his Greatsword.

Nightmare's an expy of Guts?

Berserk came before Soul Calibur, so maybe?

No, he's saying that Knight Artorias is an expy of Guts.