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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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This is what I'm getting at; there's no point in blaming these people unless you actually intend to do something to them in reprisal for their actions.
Lost in Space
Strawman argument. That's neither reasonable nor practical.
I hope that Trump loses badly enough that the forces he's empowered in our society slink back to their holes and wither in resentment. If that doesn't happen, though, it won't be progressive retaliation that our country has to fear. It doesn't matter what I might fantasize about doing; what matters is what will actually happen: an upsurge in domestic terrorism and hate crimes, a grass-roots movement to usurp democracy at the state and local levels, the attempted disenfranchisement of millions of citizens...
edited 27th Sep '16 12:23:02 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
The would-be novelist
A four year of Trump would be their punishment, unless they are white supremacists. Unfortunately, they would drag everyone else down.
Non Indicative Username
I'm confused as to why this is an issue. It's not like not blaming Trump supporters or non voters makes a positive difference.
I feel we've gone off on a bit of a philosophical tangent, and I apologize for that since I think I was the one who made it an issue.
If Trump wins, all I'll have is my moral high ground. The republicans will get right to work taking away my human rights, so it's not like I'll have much left.
If you feel that is the case, I strongly advise you leave the country in the event of a Trump victory. Canada is probably your best option.
Arashi Shigehito
I mean, with any luck Trump just dies in office or something, due to a combination of age and the insane amount of stress the job of being president carries.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
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@ smokeycut: I'd agree with Capsase here — maybe you can emigrate/claim asylum?
I'd hope for a Military Coup 
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edited 27th Sep '16 12:30:57 PM by Greenmantle
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The would-be novelist
Lost in Space
The "Move to Canada" thing is getting very old, not least because Canada wouldn't accept that many immigrants. This is my country and I'm too patriotic to just give up and run if things don't go my way. That said, some minorities (LGBT individuals, Muslims, and Hispanics in particular) might find themselves in legitimate physical jeopardy and might well need to seek asylum.
That would mark a new low in our history, wouldn't it? It'd be hilarious in a not-at-all-funny way if the next major refugee crisis were from the United States.
My next-door neighbors are first-generation Syrian immigrants. They have citizenship. Do you think they'd be immune from persecution if Trump won? They've already talked about some of the things people have said to and about them. These are real people, not vague ideas.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:37:56 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
it's easy enough to put into action if things under Trump are truly as bad as she fears; we don't live in a police state, and even under the worst case scenarios, it will take time to establish such a state of affairs.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:32:31 PM by CaptainCapsase
I'm poor as shit, and Canada is hard as fuck to get citizenship for. It takes a long time, and a lot of money I don't have, and even then I'd probably get rejected in favor of someone with better education or work history.
And if Trump does die, we get president Pence, who is infinitely worse for LGBT people.
Government Shutdown...a month before the Election.
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Clown show
New Survey coming this weekend!
The border is lightly guarded and huge. If you'd truly have nothing left to lose but your chains under President Trump, there are far more difficult things to do.
You know, I was wondering this morning in my car if the GOP would shut down the government to distract from Trump's debate performance.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:36:23 PM by CaptainCapsase
The would-be novelist
I'm nt sure insulting and suppressing minorities can be seen as anything but evil, and Trump's behavior as anything but idiotic.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:34:54 PM by flameboy21th
Non Indicative Username
If people are hoping for a military coup to solve our problems then we're moving into hysteria. As a Mexican American I have a vested interest in Trump losing but not at the expense of turning into Pakistan.
You know something's wrong when that's being broached as a serious thing.
I'm not patriotic enough to remain in a country I don't feel safe in. Well, less safe in.
That being said, if I were to emigrate in the wake of a Trump victory, I wouldn't go to Canada.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:36:58 PM by PhysicalStamina
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
I think the people broaching that option are mostly joking. A living President Trump is almost certainly better than one who is removed by force, except in the scenario where he literally is about to start a nuclear war.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:38:15 PM by CaptainCapsase
Lost in Space
A military coup is all but impossible in this country, but I would not rule out two things: the military refusing to go along with a blatantly illegal order from Trump and thus precipitating a Constitutional crisis; and/or him being assassinated while in office. But I'm not rooting for either of those things to happen.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Either of those could quickly escalate if not handled correctly. Trump ordering the insubordinate generals to be arrested and tried might provoke a response by force, and a failed assassination attempt that was orchestrated by the upper echelons of the military might very well turn into a coup attempt. It's very unlikely, but a Trump presidency raises the chances from "never in a million years" to "an edge case at best".
edited 27th Sep '16 12:42:29 PM by CaptainCapsase
All right, if somebody decided to vote for Trump, should they be rounded up and placed on trial?
@ Fighteer:
What you might get is an alt-right, US version of The Troubles.
edited 27th Sep '16 12:20:49 PM by Greenmantle
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