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Good luck getting people on board with that.
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Is it perhaps a little too progressive for you, Fighteer? 
In what way is that progressive?
Supreme Court rulings on stuff like gay marriage tend to follow the pendulum rather than drive it. (Not that the gay marriage thing isn't pretty much a certainty at this point; Kennedy's on board and Roberts may be.)
And if the Court kills Obamacare...I feel for the red-staters. (Fighteer? Doesn't Pennsylvania have a Republican-dominated legislature?)
,It's a radical (in the sense of "far-left") idea, not a progressive one. "Abolish marriage as a legal institution entirely, and just let people do whoever they want."
edited 2nd May '15 1:20:25 PM by Ramidel
Yes we do although the new governor is a Democrat.
edited 2nd May '15 1:20:57 PM by Kostya
How will the governor set up an exchange if the legislature says "fuck you?"
He probably won't. I'm pretty sure Tom Wolf only won because people hated his predecessor.
edited 2nd May '15 1:31:15 PM by Kostya
Lost in Space
I don't think the legislature has any choice in the matter. And I have insurance through my employer, but I would be saddened for those who don't.
Wolf has publicly stated that he'll set up an exchange if SCOTUS nukes federal subsidies.
edited 2nd May '15 1:34:33 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Doesn't the legislature have to approve the exchange though? It's still Republican controlled.
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SCOTUS?
Yes, the legislature had to approve. A lot depends upon how many roots Obamacare puts down until then. Enough roots and you'll see bills extending subsidies and the like from Republicans - we are already seeing a few in the Senate.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Supreme Court Of The United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause
What will ultimately bring down Gay marriage bans.
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Jade Helm's basically a training excercise between over four divisions of the military in the American Southwest to help train soldier for irregular warfare across divided cultures.
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They do know that the US already annexed Texas back in the 1800's right?
NOT THE BEES
Every Texan knows Texas was always 'Murica. They annexed the rest of us.
The interesting thing about the Full Faith and Credit clause is, some court-watchers are saying that even if the Court doesn't rule for full marriage equality, it might rule that states have to recognize any marriage made in a state where it was performed legally.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
I don't see why that isn't the case already. But if the court reaffirms it, it basically makes the marriage restrictions moot.
Well, it would still mean that, depending on where you live, you might have to travel out of state to sign your marriage license. So it would still be an extra-hassle for gay couples, but not an unpassable road block.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Right, it's not like a lot of straight people don't go out of state to be wed anyway.
RE: Jade Helm
The best rebuttal I came up with (that even a semi-wingnut accepted as a valid point) is that what sovereign nation in their right mind would accept a foreign power coming in to train there as part of some wargames? Even a staunch ally would balk at that kind of proposal.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
V
Uhmm...
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But Texas is not a sovereign nation, it is a part of the US.
So, you'd tell married heterosexual couples that they can no longer visit each other in the hospital. That'll go over pretty well.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"