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Spinned off from the British Politics Thread. Basically a thread where we talk about news and politics that affect Europe as a whole rather than certain countries in it.

Anyway BBC News section for Europe Based news.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 9th 2024 at 3:24:05 PM

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#1427: Sep 15th 2014 at 4:49:37 AM

Outrage as EU blocks democratic challenge to US trade deal:

This is exactly what has just happened, as the European Commission has announced that it will not allow a European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) to challenge the secret trade talks it is holding with the US government, supposedly on our behalf.

The ruling is a slap in the face for the 230 civil society organisations from across Europe that have lined up behind the initiative, and the millions of European citizens they represent. The ECI is the only vehicle available to us to challenge the shadowy bureaucrats of the European Commission. Now even this seems to be too much scrutiny for them.

The negotiations on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) have become one of the hottest political topics across Europe. TTIP is effectively a new bill of rights for multinational corporations, granting them unprecedented powers and undermining vital labour, environmental and food safety standards in the name of 'free' trade.

TTIP is also a direct threat to our democracy, as the European Commission seeks to allow companies to challenge future policies introduced anywhere in Europe that could jeopardise their bottom line. The ECI, by contrast, was a fully democratic response. And the Commission has blocked it.

There are already huge movements of opposition to TTIP in most European countries. Trade unions and global justice groups have joined forces with environmental, consumer and digital privacy campaigners to confront the common threat that the negotiations pose.

So, are we finally fucked to the core by the corporations?

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#1428: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:09:33 AM

No, you were always fucked to the core by the corporations.

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#1429: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:50:06 AM

Sweden's Social Democrats face weak minority government

Sweden's Social Democratic party, which on Sunday ended its longest spell in opposition in a century, faces a weak minority government after the far-right Sweden Democrats emerged as the third-largest party.

In his first speech after the election result, the incoming prime minister, Stefan Löfven, a former welder who built his career in the country's union movement, insisted the new government would be functional.

"I am ready to form a workable government for Sweden," he said. "The Swedish people have turned their backs against tax cuts and privatisations. The Swedish people demanded change."

Mariam Ismail Egal, a Social Democrat campaigner in Malmö, where 40% of people are from an immigrant background, said many in the city were "disappointed and frightened" that the Sweden Democrats had doubled their vote to more than 13%. "I think we are becoming more like France, and I think we will see a lot of conflict and division in our society," she said.

Jimmie Åkesson, the party's leader, was jubilant as preliminary vote counts came in. "We're the absolute kingmaker now," he said. "They can't ignore us the way they have ignored us over the past four years."

With more than 80% of the vote counted, the three main left-of-centre parties had won 43.7%, comfortably more than the centre-right Alliance's 35.3%, but still far short of a majority.

Löfven, who had not previously been elected to public office, struggled against more experienced opponents in the country's eight televised election debates. But his years of backroom union negotiations will be invaluable in forming a government strong enough get the country's budget through parliament in November.

In his victory speech, Löfven ruled out any cooperation with the Sweden Democrats, which, despite the efforts of Åkesson to rebrand it as a non-racist party, has its roots in the Swedish Nazi movement.

"Remember, 87% of Sweden didn't vote for them," he said to the cheers of the activists and journalists gathered at the victory party. "Even if the Sweden Democrats had even higher numbers, we would not cooperate."

Löfven hinted instead at deals with the two smaller parties in the country's rightwing alliance, whose combined 11.5% share would bring them close to a majority. "I want to say that the hand is extended to other democratic parties," he said. "Our country is too small for conflict."

Löfven's bargaining position has been strengthened by his party's unexpectedly strong result. The Social Democrats won 31.2% of the vote, higher than almost all surveys had suggested during the campaign, and ahead of what the party polled in 2010.

Its most likely coalition partners, the Green party, however, took just 6.8% of the vote, after polling above 10% for most of the campaign.

Fredrik Reinfeldt, Sweden's outgoing prime minister, said he would step down on Monday as PM and leader of the Moderate party. "The election is over," he said. "Sweden has made its decision. I will hand in my notice tomorrow. All these years under the Alliance have been fantastic."

Reinfeldt has been lauded internationally for the skill with which his government steered Sweden through the global economic crisis over its eight years in power. But within Sweden, it has faced complaints of falling standards of public services, particularly those operated by private companies under the country's welfare reforms.

Reinfeldt's minority government benefited from the tacit support of the far right, whose M Ps voted in favour of an overwhelming majority of their measures. But it has always refused any formal cooperation. Indeed, Reinfeldt began this year's election campaign with a call to Swedes to "open your hearts" to greater numbers of refugees.

Scandinavia — especially Sweden — isn't a nice a place as the American Left seems to think...

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#1430: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:06:41 AM

To be honest, the likes of the DPP and the Swedish Democrats aren't much crazier than the Republican right - but are far more effectively disenfranchised by the multiparty system.

edited 15th Sep '14 8:06:48 AM by Achaemenid

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#1432: Sep 27th 2014 at 5:48:17 AM

Kinda inevitable. Though Spain is gonna take a much harsher stance on this than Britain took in Scotland.

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#1433: Sep 27th 2014 at 7:43:25 AM

So what's the potential for violence if Spain tries to prevent the referendum from happening or if it happens, passes (which I'm guessing it would) and the central government says "Fuck you, it's invalid." (which I'm sure it will. Nil? Scattered riots? A terrorist movement springing up like ETA or the IRA? Outright civil war?

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#1434: Sep 27th 2014 at 7:48:27 AM

At this point, riots seem more likely.

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#1435: Sep 27th 2014 at 7:51:13 AM

Yeah, that's my guess too although I wouldn't rule out a terrorist movement springing up. Civil war i would consider very unlikely. What's the EU stance on such things? "Internal politics, therefore none of our business"?

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#1436: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:03:34 AM

[up]Officially at least unofficially they're hoping Catalunyan independence won't come to pass as it would spark a new chapter of the debt crisis in the Iberian peninsula.

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#1437: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:07:43 AM

What is it with everyone wanting to set-up their own state in the middle of the crisis?

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#1438: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:10:54 AM

If one's country is in economic trouble, people will look for solutions, including jumping ship from their countries.

Whether that actually helps or is mere snake oil salesmanship is a different question, though.

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#1439: Sep 29th 2014 at 4:14:48 AM

The Spanish government has asked the constitutional court to rule the planned Catalonia independence referendum illegal.[1]

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#1440: Sep 29th 2014 at 4:22:32 AM

[up]Crossposted that to the Catalan Independence thread.

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#1441: Oct 3rd 2014 at 3:00:15 AM

Happy German Unity Day everyone! Today marks 24 years since the formal reunification of Germany in 1990. It is a national holiday in Germany.

Celebratory Polandball. Note Russia now has the "Anschluss eyes".

edited 3rd Oct '14 3:04:02 AM by Achaemenid

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#1442: Oct 3rd 2014 at 3:04:09 AM

[up]That Polandball comic gave me a WAFF.

edited 3rd Oct '14 3:04:18 AM by Quag15

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#1443: Oct 3rd 2014 at 3:24:54 AM

The header of r/polandball is nice too

Its also 25 years since the fall of the wall (okay, that's technically 9th of november but...that date...)

edited 3rd Oct '14 3:28:49 AM by 3of4

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#1444: Oct 3rd 2014 at 3:39:35 AM

r/polandball is really good on national days, actually.

The best things to come out of the DDR were Ampelmannchen and the national anthem:

Alte Not gilt es zu zwingen,

Und wir zwingen sie vereint,

Denn es muss uns doch gelingen,

Dass die Sonne schön wie nie

Über Deutschland scheint,

Über Deutschland scheint!

edited 3rd Oct '14 3:41:10 AM by Achaemenid

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#1445: Oct 3rd 2014 at 3:46:45 AM

[up]

And that :)

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#1446: Oct 10th 2014 at 2:36:39 PM

So how likely is New Democracy in Greece to win the confidence vote? The major news organizations say very likely, but I'd like to ask any greeks here.

And is loss of a confidence vote (and thus snap elections) a bad thing?

edited 10th Oct '14 2:36:50 PM by FFShinra

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#1447: Oct 10th 2014 at 2:47:40 PM

[up] It's indeed very likely. They have fought tooth and nail to secure enough seats to form a majority government.note  Including offering parliament positions to old rivals & "party traitors".

As for snap elections happening, well, something like that will just speed-up the inevitable. New Democracy is going to get thrashed on the next elections. They've already lost the European elections, which has pretty much sealed their fate.

edited 10th Oct '14 2:49:19 PM by LogoP

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#1448: Oct 10th 2014 at 3:11:43 PM

In that case mebbe they should lose the confidence vote then. Rip the band aid in one swoop and all that....

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#1449: Oct 10th 2014 at 3:20:06 PM

They should lose it, yeah. But they likely won't.

Half of their members are hardcore neo-cons who will stick to their ideals 'till the bitter end. The other half are power-hungry opportunistsnote  who know that their overprivileged lifestyle will get seriously hindered the moment the government collapses.

Not that the alternative is any better. They are just relatively new & untested.

EDIT: And they just got the vote with 155 "yes". The number required is 150.

edited 10th Oct '14 3:30:37 PM by LogoP

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#1450: Oct 10th 2014 at 4:02:24 PM

Seems one of the news sites got it wrong then. The magic number given by Reuters was 180....


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