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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#51: Jun 28th 2011 at 2:45:42 PM

The ironic part is that to me, breaking the "no sex before marriage" rule reinforces the sanctity of marriage, because it makes it a bigger deal than sex. A higher step.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#52: Jun 28th 2011 at 2:51:26 PM

Meh. That's a thin line that's subject to individual interpretation.

It's sort of like the Catch-22 of stating that sex isn't important in your marriage, and having casual sex on the side without your spouse's consent. The typical argument is "But the sex meant nothing", but every carnal act brings with it a slew of other issues (intimacy, trust, possession, exposure, jealousy, etc).

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#53: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:04:52 PM

Hmmm, I'd like to see more numbers on teen pregnancies. Mainly because I'm detecting an odd disconnect between the rising teen pregnancy rate in some areas and the fact that the birth rate is falling across the board. *

If I'm understanding this correctly, this means that abortion is fairly widespread among teenagers, and/or (and this is where it gets scary) teen pregnancies and subsequent childbirths make up a significant portion of the total birth rate in those areas (meaning it's the birth rate among adults that is declining more rapidly).

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#54: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:13:21 PM

The birth rate in the US is actually fairly high for a developed nation.

It's far to high IMO, we should shoot for a fertility rate below point one if not negative if possible.

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Pentadragon The Blank from Alternia Since: Jan, 2001
#55: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:14:37 PM

It is obviously time to take the next step and have "Free God Porn".

Anyways, this really doesn't prove anything. To quote another individual here:

True, however if one were to draw a trend line back through the origin (see attached), one would find that more people in the states that voted Republic googled "god" than "free gay porn" (12) than googled "free gay porn" as opposed to "god" (9) while about 4 or 5 states that voted Republican generally had folks googling "god" and "free gay porn" in equal measure.

It's the reverse with the states that generally voted Democrat. 12 of those states had people searching more for "free gay porn" than "god" while 8 of those states had people searching more for "god" than "free gay porn" with about two states searching for both in equal measure.

Of the three states that swung both ways, Nevada and Florida saw more people searching for the free gay porn than god, while Ohio was the opposite.

It would be interesting if the did similar graphs using the terms "jesus" and just plain old "porn" or "free porn".

EDIT: Also too bad they don't give us all the states by name. It would be interesting to see where states like Massachusetts, Mississippi, Arizona, Georgia and New Mexico fell.

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#56: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:15:02 PM

[up]Yes. A lower fertility rate is better than a lower birth rate. Lower fertility rates would make the replacement rate better, whereas lowering the birth rate does little.

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#57: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:26:59 PM

Well, I'd like to point out that fertility can never be negative. I'd also like to point out that any fertility rate below roughly 2.1 results in a declining population.

Meaning, assuming we're taking Deboss at face value, he wants the U.S. population to go "poof" and vanish. How fun.

Source, for the curious.

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#58: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:30:27 PM

[up] Oh I glossed over that. A fertility rate of about 1.4 should sustain most OECD nations. The birth rate, however, must stay nearly the same. Or am I getting it the wrong way around?

edited 28th Jun '11 3:30:56 PM by Inhopelessguy

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#59: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:07:36 PM

What I'm mostly curious about, with regards to the graph, is what was the actual number? I mean, they normalized the maximum number to one, and adjusted every thing lower than that to 0.X...

But if the maximum number for "God" was 3762 while "free gay porn" was 300, then I it's just another lying statistic(just as it would be if the numbers were switched around, but if they were, I would think the graph would just have used the numbers rather than normalizing them)...

kashchei Since: May, 2010
#60: Jun 28th 2011 at 9:07:53 PM

"I am not trying to win you to my side but I feel this culture just looks at me funny and say I am the wrong one because I feel sexual promscuity is wrong."

If you're being looked down upon, it is because you are being judgmental without any basis; and, further, what you are judgmental against is not merely promiscuity, but premarital sex in general. This is your own call, but part of maturing is getting to know yourself sexually - which, ironically enough, involves having sex, preferably with more than one partner.

edited 28th Jun '11 9:08:22 PM by kashchei

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Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
#61: Jun 28th 2011 at 9:17:11 PM

"Free god porn" brings up a lot of links I really don't think I want to explore...

i. hear. a. sound.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#62: Jun 29th 2011 at 3:29:37 AM

You could make the fertility rate negative if you averaged in the murder rates as negative numbers. So it will be better when a woman is more likely to kill someone than to have a child.

I'm fully supportive of the worlds population to go poof.

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#63: Jun 29th 2011 at 6:29:19 PM

It's because red states are cheapskates too, hence free porn.

Not Utah. It's the largest consumer of paid pornography.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#64: Jun 29th 2011 at 7:34:06 PM

Also, the dumbest consumer of pornography. Why would you pay for pornography?

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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#65: Jun 30th 2011 at 12:35:45 AM

About 45 miles from me, there is a strip mall featuring porn shops and a strip club surrounded by Pro Life Across America billboards. I can't help but laugh every time I pass by it.

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BlackHumor Unreliable Narrator from Zombie City Since: Jan, 2001
#66: Jun 30th 2011 at 12:59:49 AM

Hey, if you're masturbating to porn, you're not getting someone pregnant, and that means less abortions.

Or at least, I assume that's the logic.

edited 30th Jun '11 1:00:02 AM by BlackHumor

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GoodGuyGreg Silence Is Golden from Berlin Since: Jun, 2011
Silence Is Golden
#67: Jun 30th 2011 at 5:30:25 AM

I don't think it's just an abstinence or self-hating problem. I think it's also a "not enough out-of-closet gays I know" problem. When you live among folks who don't take kindly on you showing yourself openly as gay, gay people will have trouble meeting each other, on account of being hidden from everyone else, meaning they're also hidden from each other. This gets even worse if they live in the countryside or in small isolated towns, where they are not just rare but also having everyone breathing down their necks and basicaly having no privacy.

Hence, porn.

I would also count the proportion of straight people looking for gay porn. In places where sex isn't easily available and one needs to satiate their lust through pornography, there will come a point where all the tentacles and S&M just won't cut it anymore, and the next step can be gay porn, the only thing that remains exciting and forbidden and fancy enough.

I'd rather not pull that thread. There is only so far you can go looking for thrilling squick before getting into stuff that's just plain wrong no matter how you cut it.

edited 30th Jun '11 8:42:20 AM by GoodGuyGreg

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