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CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11951: Apr 18th 2018 at 11:20:24 AM

Um, Partners in Time didn't really sell very much and reception was mixed at best.

RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#11952: Apr 18th 2018 at 11:26:26 AM

I should mention that Bowser's Inside Story is more readily available in retail. I managed to buy a used copy of that without difficulty while I had to use the Wii U eshop to buy Partners in Time.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11953: Apr 18th 2018 at 12:15:28 PM

[up][up]Hence needing a remake sooner than BIS.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#11954: Apr 18th 2018 at 2:38:59 PM

Better game = rerelease gets better sales.

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CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11955: Apr 18th 2018 at 2:51:48 PM

Pretty much what [up] said. Partners in Time's reception was likely a factor why it won't be getting a remake just yet.

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#11956: Apr 18th 2018 at 2:52:57 PM

PiT needs no remake...

Nintendo made the wrong decision to skip it...

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#11957: Apr 18th 2018 at 3:11:48 PM

Now I'm actually rather fond of Partners in Time, having no issue with most people's problems (world design, difficulty, etc.). But there's no denying that Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story are the most beloved entries of the franchise (and I agree in regards to BiS. But both DS entries hold up fine on the 3DS, so I honestly think it's a project just meant to give Alphadream something to do before they're ready to make the Switch.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11958: Apr 18th 2018 at 3:15:38 PM

My only real issues with PIT are the Bros. Items and lack of non-story-related content. The difficulty never bothered me.

I'd still consider it weaker than SS and BIS, but I always liked its grimmer story, music and artstyle, boss battles, dungeon design, and antagonists.

edited 18th Apr '18 3:21:11 PM by Anomalocaris20

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CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11959: Apr 18th 2018 at 3:22:24 PM

Yeah, the Bros. Items were kind of a let-down compared to the Special Moves in Bower's Inside Story and Superstar Saga. Chuggaaconroy's LP of Partners in Time even mentioned that there's no Bonus Boss in Hollijolli Village after clearing the Star Shrine.

edited 18th Apr '18 3:22:35 PM by CybranGeneralSturm

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11960: Apr 18th 2018 at 3:25:03 PM

I still like SS's Bros. Moves best.

No items with overly-long animations or gimmicky inputs. Just quick, cool-looking team attacks.

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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#11961: Apr 20th 2018 at 6:46:37 PM

I was thinking of what a dream Paper Mario game would be:

  • The world design of 64
  • The gameplay of Thousand Year Door
  • The story of Super
  • The comedy of Color Splash

but what element from Sticker Star?

edited 20th Apr '18 6:46:54 PM by Smasher

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#11962: Apr 20th 2018 at 6:48:37 PM

Portability.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11963: Apr 20th 2018 at 6:49:59 PM

The Switch IS portable. tongue

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Nintendork64 Since: Jul, 2011
#11964: Apr 20th 2018 at 11:45:59 PM

Then it's perfect! I'd play the shit out of that, honestly.

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#11965: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:26:56 AM

Well, it's made out of only positive things...

Who wouldn't play it has no soul to sell...

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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#11966: Apr 21st 2018 at 1:03:57 AM

Well then, my nightmare Paper Mario:

  • 64's plot
  • 1KD's World design
  • Super's Gameplay
  • Sticker Star's Battle System
  • Color Splash's "Party"

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#11967: Apr 21st 2018 at 1:12:20 AM

Well, it's made out of only positive stuff...

I'm not sure where the nightmare is...

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#11968: Apr 21st 2018 at 4:25:41 AM

Colour Splash's party is better than Sticker Star's. There's the enemy cards, plus Huey is faaaar less annoying than Kersti.

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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#11969: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:00:54 AM

Color Splash pretty much middle fingered the idea of a party of actual characters like 64 and 1KD, so that's why I choose it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11970: Apr 21st 2018 at 11:58:21 AM

Designing a "nightmare" Paper Mario title that combines the worst part of each game is tough because just about every low point of 64, TTYD, SPM, and even Color Splash was already done worse by Sticker Star. Sticker Star IS the nightmare Paper Mario.

  • 64's plot is fairly minimal but it works very well and is backed up by strong characters, whereas Sticker Star's managed to be way worse.
  • I'll have to disagree on TTYD's world design being bad, but either way it's gotta be better than Sticker Star's NSMB environments.
  • SPM was a departure from the turn-based combat yet Sticker Star's combat manages to be much worse.
  • Color Splash has a minimalist cast and only Huey as your partner, but it's still a more diverse crowd than Sticker Star's and Huey is way better than Kersti.

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Jaryl from Austria Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#11971: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:21:26 PM

I agree on Huey being way better than Kersti. Huey's got legit hilarious lines, while Kersti was just a bummer the whole way through. Also, her help ranged from vaguely helpful to "why am I even asking you?"

Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#11972: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:46:07 PM

[up][up]I actually don't mind Sticker Star's Battle System that much outside of the boss battles.

The problem with 1KD's world design is that there's too much backtracking (General White, Chapter 4 as a whole) and the environment is more "Go left or right" than the "go left, right, up, down, and diagonally" design of 64. Sticker Star does the latter too, but it generally lacks backtracking unless you want to fill the museum.

I didn't like Super's Gameplay because it felt too much like a platformer. Paper Mario shouldn't be a platformer. Stuff like the Bowser segments of 1KD aside, of course.

edited 21st Apr '18 12:53:05 PM by Smasher

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11973: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:52:06 PM

Ah, yeah, those are fair points to criticize TTYD over. I thought you meant the environmental aesthetics themselves were bad.

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Bluethorn Just a Mettaur from Alligator New York City Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Just a Mettaur
#11974: Apr 21st 2018 at 1:03:50 PM

Man, imagine if we got a new Paper Mario with a dark storyline (as in really dark, so that Super would look like a fairy tale), a new villain who was actually good, and a turn-based battle system that was just as good as TTYD while still being its own thing. I'd be willing to forgive Nintendo for all of their past mistakes if they made that.

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Jaryl from Austria Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#11975: Apr 21st 2018 at 1:03:52 PM

while personally I don't mind that TTYD's environments are mostly straight lines, the backtracking is pretty bad in that game.

Also, I'm not a fan of the Battle Roulette that TTYD has, especially after it caused one of my runs in the Pit of 100 Trials to end. I swear that thing is rigged to give you the third Poison Mushroom if there's two already.

[up] Mario games don't need a dark storyline, though, imo. I'd just be happy with ANYTHING that's not "Bowser/someone else kidnaps Peach, go save her" as the plot.

edited 21st Apr '18 1:04:51 PM by Jaryl


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