Guess that trope: Nimbus Privileges

Rather like Purity Perks. Short, informal.

Well, crowner so far is indicating that everyone hates this name. Currently 21-0.

Power is much more descriptive of how this trope actually plays out rather than Perks. Being able to fly atop a cloud is a power. Getting an extra bag of Cheetos with your sub sandwich is a perk.

On the subject of virginity tropes... I think they all actually already have 'virgin' in their names. TV Tropes isn't really the kind of place to censor something like that.

edited 7th Jun '11 10:35:59 AM by savage

Then again, if Incorruptible Pure Pureness earns you an extra bag of Cheetos with your sandwich, I'm pretty sure it still counts for this trope.

I figured Nimbus Privileges would have something to do with clouds. Needs a rename.

I like Only the Pure of Heart.

Shouldn't it be Only For The Pure Of Heart if you like that sentence construction?

Only For The Pure Of Heart is a Jimmy Cobb album. Google says 87k hits. Only the Pure of Heart gets 167k hits. Only The Pure In Heart is a Bible quote, apparently (“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” —Matthew 5:8), and it gets 143k hits.

Only the Pure of Heart is still grammatically correct, as in "Only the Pure of Heart may enter" or "Only the Pure of Heart can wield the Sword In The Stone".

edited 7th Jun '11 11:56:48 AM by troacctid

But by itself it sounds strange. And the trope also seems to be more about something only someone with a pure heart can use or do. This thing or ability is Only For The Pure Of Heart.

And really, who cares if it happens to be an album name? I don't think we really have pages for those. For example, let's try a famous Nirvana album or two: Nevermind, In Utero

Yep. In fact, Never Mind is a trope. If that's the argument you were going for.

edited 7th Jun '11 12:06:00 PM by Arha

Just made a empty Alt titles Crowner Here. 14.5:1 seems like a pretty good consensus.

Cuz Only For The Pure Of Heart doesn't work with verbs, only nouns. It fits better in sentences if you can use it with verbs.

"The ability to fly is Only For The Pure Of Heart." "Dancing is possible Only For The Pure Of Heart." etc. English is not so incredibly rigid that such things cannot be worked around.

Anyway I put four options on the alt names crowner. Are there any missing there or can we go ahead and hook it?

edited 7th Jun '11 12:15:04 PM by Arha

Yeah, but that's like passive voice. It's not good style.

Shrug. The passive voice is only bad if overused. Normal conversational speech uses it quite a bit. In fact, I highly doubt that other titles are not formatted similarly and also rely on such phrasing to get the point across in a sentence.

This is a bizarre argument. Neither "only the pure of heart" nor "only for the pure of heart" are grammatical on their own, and whether they're grammatical as a sentence fragment depends on the sentence. Broadly, the first one would be used as a subject and the latter as a predicate; "Only the Pure of Heart may draw the sword; the sword is Only For The Pure Of Heart"

So they're both fine; the only issue is which one gets more votes.

EDIT: on second thoughts, the former is more versatile. Only the pure of heart may defeat the vampire, may approach the unicorn, may pass. How would you phrase those? "Defeating the vampire is a task Only For The Pure Of Heart"?

edited 7th Jun '11 4:05:33 PM by johnnye

Well, I didn't bring grammar into it. I said I thought it sounded better. Also, I feel that the original proposed version sounds too broad and seems like it might encompass something like Only the Worthy May Pass.

It can encompass Only the Worthy May Pass, can't it? If the standard of worthiness is "purity of heart", it'd be both tropes.

The description does not imply such. It seems like Only the Worthy May Pass covers that aspect of it entirely to me. And it could still be written around. And I don't actually think it matters, anyway. It's basically a matter of which one you think sounds better because they both basically get the idea across.

It's a lot more general than Only the Worthy May Pass — that's one of the many powers or privileges it could cover.

I'm quite surprised at the popularity of Only the Pure of Heart. It's longer, not noun-ish and missing information. Check out what happens to this wick:

[From So Beautiful, It's a Curse]

Even when just listing the trope, lacking "privilege" or "power", we have to add the word back in the description to explain what the trope is.

edited 7th Jun '11 6:42:40 PM by Camacan

I think of the names so far Purity Privileges is probably the best. Purity Power is kind of misleading because it makes me think of an actual ability and the Only the Pure of Heart pair seem kind of awkward and clunky.

Support making it a noun title rather than a sentence fragment.

@Post 43: That's why we have potholes.

You just format it like this:

For example, she attributes her lack of purity to being "so beautiful that it's a sin."

edited 8th Jun '11 9:59:49 AM by shimaspawn

Choosing a name you can't use in a sentence over a name you can use in a sentence because you can pothole it is a poor excuse for choosing it. Non-potholed names are better: they provide information immediately rather than needing a mouseover and they provides a standard name for the trope rather than varying pothole text.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:02:29 PM by Camacan

Yes, and the one currently winning is easier to put into a sentence in general. Just not that sentence.

I very much doubt that, since it is not a noun. That's an actual wick I gave as an example — if it can't be re-written with the leading entry, that's a problem. I doubt that the leading entry will work in many sentences. Have a go with it.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:05:51 PM by Camacan