First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
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I imagine that it must suck.
I myself have to deal with the fact that I basically have few ties with my native culture and that I have being using several racial left loathing ideas.
Seriously, shit as "The Spanish did brought civilization to the Andeans" are considered acceptable speech.
Plus. There quite some tension between Andeans and Asians.
When a asian dictator (who was also Peru' first non white President) did try to genocide Andeans, that's expected...
Peru' first non white president did try a ethnic cleansing.
That sounds so weird
edited 31st Mar '18 9:46:13 PM by KazuyaProta
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Oh, bother.
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It'd be more accurate to say the Spanish brought their civilization and weren't taking no for an answer.
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I mean, that's the case. But people still seem to respect the Spanish colonies at some level. Mind you, no one is arguing that Peru don't have a strong Spanish influence (we are kinda a Child by Rape culturally, honestly).
Also. I know that it is pointless at long term, but I'm a bit worried seeing how all the Cosplay community of my city is filled with White and Asian people.
I mean. For one side is expectable because well, Ambiguous Anime Race
But even the costumers and organizers are white.
Is actually a bit scary. My own experience of meeting a Girl that actually did reveal being a White supremacist don't really make me optimistic.
We are Latinoamerican, the 85% of the population isn't white
edited 31st Mar '18 10:24:50 PM by KazuyaProta
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Peru' first non white president did try a ethnic cleansing.
I did a paper and presentation this semester on the Maoist Shining Path
insurgency, so I'm going to have to beg to differ on that statement.
From all the research I did, it appears that while Fujimori really was at the heart and center of a Phoenix Program-like operation which saw the government conduct extrajudicial assassinations of up to around 3,000 people, he also played a significant role in ripping the Path's own support base from their feet by being the first president since the civil war began in 1980 to actually give a shit about the Quechua-speaking indigenous people and their disenfranchisement with the mestizo Spanish-speaking government. For example, Spanish colonial laws forbidding the Andeans from owning firearms out of fear of rebellion were lifted, allowing for natives intimidated by the Path to form their own citizen militias called rondas which aided the military immensely as guides and scouts. Land reforms, the lack of which were a driving force fostering the Path's rise, were passed, while the Andeans were finally allowed to elect their own representatives instead of being governed by mestizo appointees as they always had been up until that point.
Nope, there shrine cookies, slightly modified as detailed by M84 but there Japanese, not Californian.
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Dunno about your sources, but Fujimori was also behind sterilization campaigns which quickly become forced sterilizations and a good amount of the policial and millitar violence against andean civilians was accepted for him.
He did put a good name and face, bit that was a way to simply get good publicity
Plus, Fujimori' responsability on defeated the Shining Path is overrated. His own role was relatively minimal. Heck, he actually did obstruct a operation that could have captured Abimael Guzman earlier. Because he couldn't play the "necessary times need necessary measures" card if they're no need for those measures
edited 31st Mar '18 10:47:29 PM by KazuyaProta
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"Plus, we have a unfortunate tradition of calling "Chinese" to literally all Asians. "
Actually probably only East Asians. You don't call Indians or Turks or Persians Chinese, do you?
Arabs colloquially call all Europeans Romans (Rumi) or Franks (Franj) depending on context. Or Christian (Nasrani). Prickly pears are called Christian Figs, for example.
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You're right. That's only with East asians
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One has to be careful about the distinction of Chinese cuisine of mainland China and Chinese diaspora in various countries. The same applies to other ethnicities with wide coverage of nationality.
edited 1st Apr '18 4:00:27 AM by murazrai
We can all be imprecise at times.
I often find myself using “Yanks” (Yankees, yanquis, etc.) for all citizens of the good ole USofA, which could be hazardous to my health in some parts of that great land.
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The parts where they'd be called Carpetbaggers?
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The only difference I can think of is the quality or type of products used in their cuisine in the USA in contrast with the resources they'd had in the mainland, which could be a fair distinction since meat and vegetables change tastes depending on the place they come from.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
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One of my friends in junior high came over to the US when he was about 3. The food his parents cooked was different than the typical Chinese restaurant fare. His mom worked at one of those restaurants. She made a distinction between "real" Chinese food and "Chin-America" food (ie, what she did at work). So that's how I looked at it - one's traditional, the other's fusion. Except way better than the overpriced crap at P. F. Chang's.
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I read an interesting article the other day talking about how immigrants made their own types of food upon coming to America.
Like spaghetti and meatballs are an Italian American invention because back in the day you couldn't get easily affordable beef in Italy but Italian immigrants could in the US.
It's also why corned beef and cabbage is an Irish thing here but not in Ireland because while beef is plentiful and inexpensive traditional Irish meats like lamb are not.
Oh really when?
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Yup, exactly. Chinese food in America is the food that Chinese immigrants made after arriving in the US. It's an adaptation of Chinese culture to American circumstances. It's not the same thing that you'd get from a restaurant in China (and it shouldn't be confused for such), but I don't think you can reasonably claim that it's "not Chinese", because it was created by Chinese people.
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Shaun made a compilation video of all the monstrous shit going on at the Unite the Right rally in.Charlottesville. Trigger warning: it contains some extremely foul language, and I don't mean just slurs. However, it established irrevocably that the Rally was by and for Neo Nazis and those willing to walk under their banners and chant their chants, namely, other Neonazi.
If you have the stomach to get past that, it's fantastic Black Comedy, because of how good a job they did of documenting their heinous hateful loathsome actions for all to see. It's like an Engineered Public Confession except they're doing the engineering themselves.
It's also very stupid and pathetic how these guys are cowardly and violent, rude and thin-skinned, taking pride in frankness and 'truth'-saying while poorly attempting to hide their true intent and lying out of their teeth.
Oh, and the kitchen sink of historical references cracks me up. A Catholic call to crusades mixed with Odinist symbols? They do know those two groups were somewhat at odds, yes?
Shameful display! They and Trump deserve each other!
edited 2nd Apr '18 1:48:22 PM by TheHandle
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To be fair, they are pretty secular and only see both Catholicism and Odinism as compatible because muh white culture.
Nevermind that there tons of non-white catholics.
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Never mind that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Palestine.
One thing that really annoyed me was their perversion of Yiddish as a Second Language. I don't think I'll use phrases like "kvetching" or "oy vey" ever again.
edited 2nd Apr '18 2:40:21 PM by TheHandle
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Oh vey as a internet slang is weird, Neo Nazis started using it but suddenly you see anti nazi people that just like use it because it sounds like a mild version of Oh, Crap! (because it is)
edited 2nd Apr '18 2:54:07 PM by KazuyaProta
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RE the Odinism thing, saw a good explanation of this in this recent article about this conservative guy popular among alt-right types, Jordan Peterson, as well as well as a famous essay by Umberto Eco (that's actually linked to in this article) called "Ur-Fascism".
One thing that both get at is how Fascism has this big Fan of the Past thing, but in kind of a weird and Know-Nothing Know-It-All way that makes it different from garden variety Conservatism. Basically, because Fascism is a pretty new philosophy, but is obsessed with the past and tradition, Fascists will try to claim as many writers/cultures/traditions/etc. as the basis of their movement. Which includes a lot of mythological/occult stuff.
So like as discussed in the first essay, Peterson is obsessed with Joseph Campbell's "Hero of A Thousand Faces".
And Eco has this great description in his essay:
This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, “the combination of different forms of belief or practice”; such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and whenever they seem to say different or incompatible things it is only because all are alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.
As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.
One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements. The most influential theoretical source of the theories of the new Italian right, Julius Evola, merged the Holy Grail with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, alchemy with the Holy Roman and Germanic Empire. The very fact that the Italian right, in order to show its open-mindedness, recently broadened its syllabus to include works by De Maistre, Guenon, and Gramsci, is a blatant proof of syncretism.
If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled as New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge—that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.
edited 2nd Apr '18 2:57:21 PM by Hodor2
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"As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message."
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I dont think that syncretism implies that honestly.
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I usually don't mind much. At least when I see individuals doing it. But when it's say, a movie using Asian culture while trying it's hardest not use actual Asian people as anything but props...
Disgusted, but not surprised