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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#16201: Mar 23rd 2018 at 8:54:54 AM

Because when a white guy does acts like this it won't always fit into the definition of terrorism.
How come it's never applied to Muslims? Black guys? Hell, black children? White guys, and only white guys, get the benefit of the doubt from law enforcement.

So let me state this clearly.

WHITE SUPREMACY IS TERRORISM. Full stop. This guy was a terrorist. Full stop. If that can't be proven in the courts, then that's a failure with our legal system (one of many). But this guy was a terrorist.

Apparently the police mistook the cell phone in his hand for a weapon of some kind while pursuing him as a suspect for some minor vandalism.
I'm reminded of a sociological test I took a year or so back, where you're presented with pictures of people and have to decide, in under half a second, whether or not you pull the trigger or not. IIRC, "black guy holding a cell phone" was 30% more likely to get shot than "white guy holding a gun."

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#16202: Mar 23rd 2018 at 9:45:31 AM

[up][up]But we can't call them terrorists because.... STUFF

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#16203: Mar 26th 2018 at 7:00:24 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-43540148/anthony-wong-hong-kong-actor-finds-brothers-after-bbc-report

A BBC report video featured Hong Kong actor Anthony Wong reunited with his British half-brothers after his British father walked out of his life. In the early days of British colonial rule, anyone from Hong Kong with Eurasian origins are discriminated and he experienced it fully.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#16204: Mar 31st 2018 at 4:11:53 AM

Okay, Sweden just fucked up. The National Board of Health and Welfare published a pamphlet titled "information to you who are married to a child". The cover shows cartoon Ambiguously Brown youth of vague age (one dark, presumably African, with a headscarf, and two sallow, one with slanted eyes, so presumably West Asian and East Asian respectively).

Given how permissive age of consent laws can be in Europe (France only fixed theirs recently after a scandal, Sweden itself has it at 15 so long as you aren't a guardian, in which case it gets bumped to 18[[note:*:in case you were wondering in horror like I was, incest is forbidden between direct offspring and full siblings, but not between a guardian and a ward who has grown older than 18...]]) and how child marriage is still legal in the USA and Afghanistan has tougher laws on that topic, the racial and religious profiling seems uncalled-for.

edited 31st Mar '18 4:16:32 AM by TheHandle

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#16205: Mar 31st 2018 at 6:20:28 AM

It’s legal to marry your ward in Sweden ?

Ewww.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#16206: Mar 31st 2018 at 6:48:37 AM

Presumably once they've come of age you wouldn't be doing it in loco parentis, and kids here have government benefits that allow them to be easily independent at eighteen, but damn, I can only hope that their social workers can screen out anyone with a Hikaru Genji Plan...

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#16207: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:24:45 PM

[up][up][up] You can show that picture? I'm interested on how Swedish racism work, given that a lot of my Left try to sell it as a utopia.

Also. I eat meat on a Venezuelan Immigrant Bussiness (we can eat meat in Holy Saturday). It was really tasty (albeit, too much salt) and relatively cheap.

I know that this sounds weird, but seriously, if you're a food lover. You should wish immigration.

Salty Tacacho...

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#16208: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:43:24 PM

I guess it’s kind of cultural appropriation to like other cultures food as long as they’re there for your convenience while looking down on said cultures when too many smelly immigrants come over?

Like I wouldn’t be surprised to see racists that talk shit about foreigners while in the same breath shovel in foreign cuisine and praising it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#16209: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:44:36 PM

[up]Culinary cultural appropriation? Speaking as an Asian-American...yeah, that makes sense.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#16210: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:45:54 PM

While I generally don't like the concept I think that this is pretty clear cut cultural appropriation.

edited 31st Mar '18 8:46:06 PM by Fourthspartan56

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#16211: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:50:04 PM

Yeah I think so too

It’s grating and so disrespectful because there are people who expect them to be subservient and be background for their lives and wow I’m actually getting upset and depressed.

But yeah, I am all for embracing and sharing our and other’s cultures food and more that’s not ... that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#16212: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:51:35 PM

See also: the use of a lot of Asian culture in media juxtaposed with the lack of Asian representation in media. <cough> Firefly <cough>

edited 31st Mar '18 8:53:27 PM by M84

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#16213: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:56:32 PM

That’s true

I love Firefly when I first watched it but yeah, that criticism is true

It’s always interesting (well, not really positive) to see how Asians/Americans are portrayed because I’m aware of the history and stereotypes due to being Asian myself.

Imca (Veteran)
#16214: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:56:37 PM

I love how much "Japanese" food in Amercia is actually Chinese.

Or the inability to understand the difference between Sushi and Sashimi

....

Or the reverse where the "Chinese" food is actually Japanese; looking at you fortune cookies.

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#16215: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:58:40 PM

Fortune cookies aren't even Chinese; they're Californian.

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#16216: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:08:16 PM

[up][up] Here on Peru we separate them quite easily, the issue is with things such as Taiwanese and Korean food.

Plus, wr have a unfortunate tradition of calling "Chinese" to literally all Asians.

A weird case was from a girl that was called Chinese while she was actually a korean identifying herself as Japanese.

Heck. Our Asian ex-dictator, Alberto Fujimori? He is Japanese yet his nickname is "El Chino" (The Chinese)

Also. I support inmigration for a lot of reasons, I just happen to mention a personal anecdote.

I really like food

edited 31st Mar '18 9:10:20 PM by KazuyaProta

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#16217: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:09:30 PM

[up][up][up],[up][up] Wikipedia's page on Fortune Cookies

The exact origin of fortune cookies is unclear, though various immigrant groups in California claim to have popularized them in the early 20th century. They most likely originated from cookies made by Japanese immigrants to the United States in the late 19th or early 20th century. The Japanese version did not have the Chinese lucky numbers and was eaten with tea.

edited 31st Mar '18 9:10:02 PM by M84

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#16218: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:09:46 PM

Food is good

About bastardized perception of Asian food, as generic as that sounds, I don’t know what can really change about that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#16219: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:10:25 PM

[up] Genie's out of the bottle there, I guess. The best we can do is try to inform others of what authentic Asian food is like. Also, the differences between various East Asian countries' cuisine.

edited 31st Mar '18 9:12:00 PM by M84

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#16220: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:13:48 PM

I think that is possible. Just pointing that the food come from different places would be enough.

Also. One of the weirdest things here in Peru is realizing that Chifa is actually a Peruvian only food.

Is really weird, Chifa is actually used as a shorthand for east Asian food in general. But is actually a Peruvian invention.

edited 31st Mar '18 9:15:14 PM by KazuyaProta

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#16221: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:16:59 PM

Interesting.

Tbh, I’m kind of fond of those generic ‘Chinese’ buffet places when I’m looking for a relatively cheap meal

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#16222: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:21:06 PM

At least in my part of Southern California, one can easily deduce "authentic" Asian food (mainly Chinese and Taiwanese) meant for immigrant customers by the fact that Western eating utensils are not provided at tables and must be specifically asked for. Unfortunately, these restaurants are so authentic to the point where they tend to have staff who speak little to no English due to the fact that their customers don't as well.

The restaurants with forks and knives provided at tables are instantly signs that give away the fact that the main customer base are non-Asians. From my personal experience, the food is actually the same but charged at a higher price because the Asian managers are betting on most of their customers (who tend to skew middle-class and white) to not know any better and pay up whatever the price is. [lol]

edited 31st Mar '18 9:23:39 PM by FluffyMcChicken

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#16223: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:24:24 PM

Here we have a lot of Asian restaurants with Asian owners that do have western utensils in order to facilitate things.

Heck, one of them even have a Taiwanese speaker old lady as the boss.

Our Chinatown in Lima is considered a culinary paradise for many.

Also, the Peruvian Cebiche is directly inspired on the Sushi.

Peru does have a absurd amount of food. We really love food

edited 31st Mar '18 9:26:01 PM by KazuyaProta

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#16224: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:30:03 PM

One advantage of being part of an Asian-American family with parents from East Asia is that one very quickly figures out which local restaurants are authentic and which restaurants are...well, "not authentic" is the most polite way to describe them.

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#16225: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:33:48 PM

[up] I wonder how much it must feels be a east asian and see how not east asians use your aesthetics.

That is really common on Peru, heck, the Restaurant lead for the Old Taiwanese lady? They expressly said why they aren't "looking asian enough" after people started questioning them.

Albeit that leads to weird things such a Korean girl trying to use Japanese clothes before the Peruvian Japanese Cultural association did call her out on that.

(Albeit they still let her cosplay a Japanese anime character in a Yukata)

edited 31st Mar '18 9:35:36 PM by KazuyaProta

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