Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

In the same vein, another perfect example of bigotry masquerading as concern is the attitude many hold towards the issue of transgendered people and bathroom use.^note The fact that transgendered people being able to use bathrooms is a hot point of political contention should prove beyond all doubt that the human race is basically shit. Right-wingers clutch at their pearls and proclaim that if they allow "men" to use women's bathrooms, then they will be exposing those women to sexual assault. Even putting aside the obvious transphobia of that assertion, their hypocrisy is doubly exposed when you remember that these are the same people who empower rape culture, rail against abortion rights, and support the deeply-entrenched systems of gender inequality that pervade out society. (That's without even getting into the fact that trans people are exponentially more likely to be the victims of assault by cis people, rather than the other way around.)

These people don't care one whit for women or their safety - their history shows that beyond the shadow of a doubt. This is, in many ways, yet another facet of systemic misogyny - not only do they perpetuate it, they then use the pretext of combating it as a weapon for the purposes of targeting another oppressed group. And I find that almost as as I do the other manifestations of bigotry, because it corrupts the purpose of feminism or anti-racism or the like, and turns it into nothing but another tool of oppression, all while maintaining a shallow facade of caring and concern.

This is not surprising, they used this as a "gotcha" moment to finally prove BLM have no leg to stand out. it goes with the idea that this group are trying to be "Better" than white people and guilt trip them into something and it also come into the whole "they are just a few cop, not a racist thing", ether everything is a systematic issue or nothing is.

I see this with lots of rape cases. If it's a Swiss guy raping someone (especially an immigrant), the slut had it coming. If it's an immigrant raping a Swiss woman, it's prove how sexist foreigners are and that we need to protect "our" women.

Or homophobic people using Islam's less than stellar record on LGBT rights against it. They never care for these things unless they can turn it against another marginalized group.

They're using such things as an Appeal to Worse Problems, claiming that they are not sexist or homophobic since they obviously are against Islam, foreign macho culture or whatever. Shuting down criticism on themselves while simultaniously oppressing another minority.

Over time, I've noticed that this tends to be the most crucial divergence regarding arguments about social justice topics.

Social justice advocates, while treating individual instances on a case-by-case basis, tend to look at things from a very "big picture" perspective, always taking into account historical context, bigger systems and ideological superstructures that explain the way people behave and how society organizes itself.

By contrast, I've noticed a lot of people tend to ALWAYS see any situation as an isolated incident, and have trouble understanding or simply outright reject the idea that something harmless in isolation can create a problem in aggregate. This lack of perspective often leads them to making rebuttals that hinge on False Equivalence ("who cares if this videogame has a man rescue a woman, you wouldn't care at all if they were the other way around!".)

I've also noticed that these same people often have REALLY superficial understanding of what social justice advocates (or "DEM SJW's" as many of them put it) actually believe, or they assume that the stereotypical image of a tumblrite (a self-righteous, belligerent, maladjusted and confrontational 13-25 year old) is all that these people are, which makes it very easy to dismiss them wholesale. It's one thing to understand someone's position, the reasons WHY they came to hold that position and disagree (as I do with a few conservatives I know), but it's another thing to just plain not get it.

You see this with fans of japanese games who think that "SJW's" want all sexuality removed or censored and are liable to blame any perceived instance of it on them, completely unaware of the concept of sex-positive feminism or using it only when it's convenient to defend the status quo, without having their preconceptions challenged or trying to gain a more nuanced understanding of sexuality and sexual expression in fiction.

To bring that more on-topic, you also see that in the misconception that minorities unilaterally hate white people, when the situation is a lot more emotionally complex than that. I think some resentment for a lot of minorities is inevitable, but people are only human so it's hard not to feel that way. It couldn't really be any other way given the history of how every minority ever is treated, and race relations in the US, ESPECIALLY when it comes to black people are no exception.

edited 5th Jan '17 11:14:11 PM by Draghinazzo

This is why when I see parties like the Republicans, UKIP and National Front appealing to the safety concern of the Jewish people's in order to get support against Muslims and Arabs, it makes me want to choke them.

They'd rather have us all contained in Israel or wish we'd be dead but as soon as Islam and immigrants are concerned then they suddenly care about our safety.

Yeah like we'd forget they have ties with far right organizations that are essentially A Nazi by Any Other Name, that is if they aren't outright Nazis, but sadly there are enough Jews that either forget that or ignore those facts because they dislike Muslims and Arabs enough.

The worse about the fake concern about oppressed groups by pointing out the worst excesses of the others is how they manage to get the image of reasonableness, which more often than not is good enough for propaganda purposes and draw support from the public. Though you could easily see through their bullshit if you spend a minute thinking it through, I am quite sure the public doesn't spend even a second thinking about their motives.

I recomend you "Note about nacionalism" from orwell, it really capture the nature of moral myopia and how some thing are Ok if your group do it, hell the fact Aprilla post about that black guy contrast very well with how white people treat Dylan: that black guy is proof that BLM is full of shit and that black comunity do not police their on while Dylan is just something bad that happen one day and they cant explain why it happen...it just happen(or when it does, cute to mental illness)

It also show the double standar of white people and how they can be bad as individual while a minority always represent their group, which is a problem in fiction.

This incident is undoubtedly a tragedy for America, though I suspect it's only going to get worse from here. While it's disingenuous to associate this with Black Lives Matter, I wouldn't be shocked to find out the perpetrators identified with the movement, as was the case with the Dallas police shooting and the brief wave of copycat incidents that occurred over the following months. The first step on the road to radicalization is being ignored and marginalized by the powerful, and the outcome of the American general elections mean that treatment is more or less guaranteed.

That particular problem in fiction is also surprisingly prevalent on the left, insofar as casting minorities in villainous roles is EXTREMELY frowned upon in certain circles of the social justice circle, with the assumption being by default that any portrayal of a minority character in an unsympathetic light is intended to reflect on the entire demographic rather than simply being an example of diverse casting.

edited 6th Jan '17 10:23:36 AM by CaptainCapsase

We have a trope for that: Aggressive Categorism

Yes, and I'd argue people of all political leanings engage in that to a downright disheartening degree.

I feel like a lot of people can't wrap their minds around how utterly horrible this story is. A special needs kid was kidnapped by complete sociopaths and tortured for shit way beyond his control, while the whole thing was being streamed on Facebook as if it was some kind of joke.

Race relations aside, those kids need to put away forever. There's no rehabilitation from this.

Oh, more good news.

Notorious white supremacist and serial troll Chuck Johnson is advising Fuhrer Trump's team on appointees. That...explains a lot, actually.

Also, when people inevitably say to you "how can he be a white supremacist, his wife is Asian," throw this list at them and leave.

That's actually quite fascinating about many male conservative figures' relationships with Asian women, since it directly correlates with my personal observations of younger Trump supporters who have a tendency to be surprisingly educated and knowledgeable about East Asian cultures.

On the flip side, some of the most famous Asian men in history turned out to marry white women, such as the Trope Namer for Siamese Twins, Bruce Lee, and Chiang Ching-Kuo.

___

In other news, the ISS will receive its first African-American astronaut in May 2018.

Probably because they prefer women who come from cultures where the women playsubmissive roles.

Like a major complain from the white supremacists is how feminism changed women in the west.

Well they really bought the Yamato Nadeshiko stereotype as being submissive for their husbands for nearly all Asian women.

edited 10th Jan '17 8:12:11 AM by AngelusNox

Asian women are submissive? Clearly I haven't been dealing with "real" Asian women my entire life.

They don't understand that cultural imposition of gender submission seldom works as intended.

...I kinda wanna admit something here but I'm afraid of the fallout.

But the white supremacists are against that. The privilege to fuck outside the racial boundaries isn't extended to white women. White women are the property of white men. Because everyone is for white men to use. They're more accurately white male supremacists.

"We're not kidding when we say our fathers are white supremacists with yellow fever. Now the leaders of the Alt-Right are complaining about the growing number of hapas attending their white nationalist conferences that their white supremacist fathers dragged them to. "

....it is bad how I laught about this? I mean is awfull but...damn that is some quiality black humor

Now on a most serious note, some guy in that reddit pretty much said the reason of all this:

"I have similar views to many of these guys - alt right, anti-feminist. If you really think that your own race of women have been corrupted, it is natural to look elsewhere. Traditional morality held that a woman should be chaste before marriage, that the marriage vows were sacred, and divorce was either illegal or scandalous. And also, women would stick to more feminine/maternal activities.

I do deeply resent the fact that these things have changed. If you are a white man looking for a wife in the modern environment, you encounter women who care more about their careers than getting married, who might not have a strong desire for kids (they've been told it's not important), who might have had a lot of sexual partners, and who have a divorce court system in their favor. I don't know for sure if this is true or not, but let's assume it's also true that obesity, drug use, alcohol abuse, and tattoos/piercings are more common now than they were for most previous generations. So if you're in this environment and you don't like it, you might feel that it is too hard to find someone you're happy with. It is tempting to say "screw this" and go somewhere the odds are in your favor.

It's sort of like the conservative white guy is a foreigner in his own country now. The culture he's swimming in just doesn't feel right. Maybe it's like being a freshwater fish thrown into the ocean. ."

in your, many alt right are envy the fact asian country have more strict and patrichal culture that produce(yes, im using this world consider how they see it) "good" women.

edited 10th Jan '17 12:18:51 PM by unknowing

That not true just for white supremacists, or even racists in general. A man that "socializes" outside his group (race/religion/nationality) is seen as a hero, a woman who does the same is seen a traitor. It's almost as if women can be viewed^note By assholes as points, with the "team" that scores the most being seen as the winners.

Sounds to me more like the country's society changed with the times and the conservative white guy for whatever reason won't - or possible even can't get with it.

I appreciate the guy's honesty, though. It's kinda refreshing to find among the usual bravado of the rest of the alt-right.

I've heard that Asian women do indeed prefer western guys. Because westerners tend to be less patriarchal in their attitudes. Asian women don't like being submissive any more than western women. These supremacists are in for a surprise.

You know, I'm always baffled at how one can hold this view, without also applying it to men. How's that going to work? Especially since those guys are also opposed to homosexuality. Say about religious fundamentalist what you want, at least they apply this rule consistently and oppose porn as well. The alt-right has so many internal inconsistencies, they make fundies look rational.

I think it's because the guy in question has probably made peace with his views and doesn't feel the need to hide or obfuscate things. "Why do I need to hide anything?"

Given my exposure to borderline alt-right circles I feel like a lot of the alt-right is driven by a profound insecurity that's been warped into hatred and fear. Like, on some level they feel that without privilege they wouldn't actually be able to achieve anything on their own merits.

edited 10th Jan '17 2:07:46 PM by Draghinazzo

Oh, definitely. You see it a lot in how upset they get when they see women/gays/other races being lifted up or given a chance in anything.

Yup, that's definitely a mindset that's true of a lot of Asian women. No doubt it's a form of overgeneralizing of its own, but I can vouch from personal experience that most of my male relatives from the parental generation and up actually are pretty patriarchal and old-fashioned to varying degrees. Not to mention heavily prejudiced against racemixing even with other kinds of East Asians, especially for the women. In particular my parents consider Chinese nationals to be insanely misogynistic and advise me to marry ABC men over them if I can help it.

Funny thing is while it's true a lot of Asian women end up in relationships with white men, likely for the above reason, their boyfriends/husbands would argue that they're the ones with the pants in the relationship. Asian women can be among the most driven and ambitious of them all, precisely because of the misogyny they experience in their own lives. It doesn't make us submissive, it makes us want to lash out.

edited 10th Jan '17 2:32:00 PM by AlleyOop

ABC? Is that an acronym for something?