First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
There's a documentary called Secrets of the Tribe on You Tube
that explores a series of incidents where anthropologists engaged in homicide, manslaughter and sexual abuse when immersed with indigenous peoples. One of my linguistics instructors recommended it to me, and I believe it's now required viewing in some language revitalization, missionary and anthropology courses. Highly recommended, especially if you're interested in foreign aid work or indigenous culture research projects.
edited 6th Aug '15 4:30:30 PM by Aprilla
United Earth
Anne Frank played with herself and documented it. That got expunged. While I don't think young girls should be ashamed of their bodies, there is such a thing as Too Much Information, and, for once, I'm glad for censors. Bless 'em.
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I will have to watch that later. Looks interesting.
I'm Ruthless.
I don't like censors. I don't see what could be so disturbing. Guess the world is really more afraid of sex than violence.
But I totally respect your opinion and I will be no way contesting your way of thinking.
I hope nobody gets too irritated over this.
You claim that God is opressing us, but I see you opressing others without needing a God.
If it was on topic we might not...
A nice butterfly
Come now bunny. Hands are vaginas are different body parts, which is like different races, and we are exploring their relationship. Slowly. Tenderly. Approaching at a steady place to that deeper point that harvests many a sensation, that nub of...knowledge that titillates us so.
You need to be less hand-vagina racist.
Also good to know about that Mexican thing, I jsut assumed it was a tribal stuff cuz I know something like that has happened in other latin nations. Like. This one place in Venezuela, or Colombia I think where they fuck mules or something, but whatever.
Anyways latino news reports are not very happy with what was said in the last GOP debates, emphasis on stuff like Huckabee's "Armies arent social experiments they are made to kill people and break stuff" when asked about transsexuals in the army.
But basically they are calling Trump a "showoff" and mention that all of them keep insisting on the wall how the latinos are going to murder everyone, and the focus is on him and how he stole the show.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
United Earth
Isn't that what he's supposed to do? He is campaigning, isn't he?
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Essai
I think people take issue with Trump because he isn't seen as a 'serious' candidate, just there for publicity. And because some people just don't like him.
One step at a time, progressing inch by inch.
mexican hate him for two things: for saying they are all murder and rapist and of course, for saying the goverment is cleaver
But yeah Trump is many things but subtile is not one of them
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As the star attraction at a rally for expanding Social Security and Medicare, Sanders was just starting to address the crowd, thanking Seattle for being “one of the most progressive cities in the United States of America.”
That’s as far as he got, as a pair of women walked onstage and grabbed the microphone.
“If you do not listen… your event will be shut down,” one of the protesters told organizers, who at first argued that they could speak after Sanders, but relented and said they could go first.
Some in the mostly white audience booed and hissed as they urged protesters to let the senator talk. A few yelled for police to make arrests. The protesters demanded silence before they’d speak.
Marissa Johnson, one of the protesters, shot back at the crowd, “I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is filled with progressives, but you did it for me,” accusing the audience of “white supremacist liberalism.”
The activists demanded 4 ½ minutes of silence in memory of Michael Brown, the black man shot to death by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri a year ago. While rally organizers stood and raised their hands in support, some in the crowd yelled profanities.
After the few minutes of silence, the protesters said they wanted to hold Sanders accountable for failing to address their concerns when he was similarly interrupted at a town hall for liberal activists in Phoenix last month. Johnson beckoned Sanders to stand closer to him as she spoke — he refused.
The Westlake protesters refused to let Sanders take the microphone, prompting rally organizer Robby Stern to say the event was over, and that the demonstrators were determined to stop it.
As Sanders left the stage and greeted supporters who had been waiting at Westlake for hours, he asked that they attend his 7 p.m. campaign rally at Hec Edmundson Pavilion at the University of Washington, which was expected to draw thousands.
The Westlake rally ended around 3 p.m., with Sanders departing in a white Jeep and aides declining to comment.
In a written statement a few hours later, Sanders said he was “disappointed that two people disrupted a rally attended by thousands at which I was invited to speak about fighting to protect Social Security and Medicare.”
“I was especially disappointed because on criminal justice reform and the need to fight racism there is no other candidate for president who will fight harder than me,” Sanders added.
Some Sanders supporters were chagrined at the way his speech was cut off and said the protesters hurt their cause.
“Why would they pick Bernie Sanders to do this to? He has stuck up for civil rights,” said Diane Jerich-Domin, of Port Ludlow, who added that she’d attended Black Lives Matter protests after Ferguson.
Saturday’s rally had been organized by labor groups and other supporters of entitlement programs that Sanders has fought to expand.
A self-proclaimed democratic socialist, the independent senator had been expecting a warm welcome in Seattle, as he’s been seen by progressives as an alternative to presumed Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton.
A few thousand had gathered at Westlake for the 1 p.m. event, which featured hours of speeches from local activists and politicians in favor of protecting and expanding Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs that have kept millions out of poverty.
Before the ending disruption, the event had a celebratory air, with musical acts and a crowd united in chanting to “Scrap the Cap” — referring to a proposal to tax rich people on all their earnings instead of just the first $118,500, in order to protect and expand Social Security.
Seattle’s socialist City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, who spoke before Sanders, said Social Security and similar programs are “under attack by the establishment of both political parties.” She called on the crowd to demand an independent political movement that shuns corporate money.
Sawant has called on Sanders to run as an independent instead of a Democrat — but he’s said he won’t do that.
A group of Seattle police on bike and foot monitored the event, but no arrests were made. Detective Patrick Michaud of the Seattle Police said rally organizers “asked us not to move up and make any arrests.”
Stern, the longtime local labor activist who emceed f the rally, said while it was “a very disappointing ending, the program itself was fantastic” and got out the message of the importance of preserving and expanding Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
The law in the night
What the fuck? Him of all the politicians running?
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I mean of all politicians running for the elections.
edited 8th Aug '15 6:41:32 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent leges
So they said they wanted to hold him to account then refused to let him speak?
I agree that he needs to be asked about race and racial issues, but you need to let him answer.
Also why hold him to account for not responding to a previous hijack attempt? Why not hold him to account for not responding to the calm and considered questions and requests for information that have been put forward (that has happened right?)?
It's hardly running, he was being physically prevented from holding the event and could only hold it if he called in the police.
Though one wonders why doesn't travel with a backup mic by this point.
edited 8th Aug '15 6:40:05 PM by Silasw
Those protestors aren't helping and if anything they are just causing people to turn on their cause.
Why target Sanders of all candidates?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
You guys are really missing the point of why those protesters did that, and you're illustrating why it was necessary.
There's also this, which more or less sums up the problem not so much with Sanders but with his potential voter base. I don't entirely agree with the sentiment being expressed in this write-up, but there is indeed an very arrogant and presumptuous mentality among white liberals that we must support Sanders as some sort of self-evident truth. A lot of detractors to BLM seem to miss the fact that many black people are quite enthusiastic about voting for Sanders.
Republicans remaining silent on BLM is a given. Democrats dragging their feet on the matter? Very grating.
That, too.
edited 8th Aug '15 8:11:43 PM by Aprilla
Just because someone isn't against you doesn't mean they are for you.
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How is he meant to break his silence on BLM if they refuse to let him speak? I'm all for calling for him to speak on issues he's been ignoring, but for him to do that you have to at least pysically let him speak.
Bernie Sanders is a big boy with a public platform and great influence.
Dude's gonna be okay staying silent and listening for a few minutes.
The Mistress
Aprilla: Would you mind attempting to explain the point of the whole thing if you could?
"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
When Hilary was asked about Black Lives Matter and how she would solve the problem, she has answered she will not make a decision or state any proposals until after she consults with black leadership.
That is the correct path.
Bernie Sanders has been asked time and time again, what he would do. And he has said nothing, nothing, nothing.
Polerstern is dead on.
Police brutality and racial bigotry is a bipartisan issue that comes from all facets of government.
And frankly, if the Democrats don't speak up about it and frame the issue in their light, there are plenty of Republicans that would love to dominate that discussion and we really don't want that.
Again, as I have said before, I don't believe in the big Democratic savior coming to rescue because they aren't doing it. At. All.
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Hillary said that? Then why do I keep seeing people complaining about how she doesn't care about minorities?
That is the only word I can find on her acknowledging the issue. She hasn't said anything since then and she also has been under flack for a lot of drama in her past coming to bite her. Like even her work under Nixon-era staffings.
Honestly, I don't know if Hilary can say anything right at this point but at least she said something and she can be held accountable to that.
For example, I couldn't find anything to see if that meeting with black leadership has even been attempted to be penciled in.
Sanders hasn't said anything, and he is being praised as the progressive second coming so I certainly expect better of him.
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@Saint Deltora:
A lot of it has to do with fair-weather social justice and respectability politics. I believe Bernie Sanders is sincerely concerned with the deaths and brutalization of black people at the hands of law enforcement.
However, many of his supporters are illustrating the viciousness and apathy that often accompanies insincere support that takes root whenever they feel they have been forced into an inconvenient position by the marginalized groups they are supposedly helping. It's a matter of getting upset when disadvantaged people ask you to either be receptive and/or get your hands dirty.
When you don't have skin in the game, you can bow out when things get too uncomfortable, which is what a lot of white liberals are doing note . Black people's need to support Sanders is being conveyed not as a call for unity but as a threat - as an ultimatum. Privileged people need to support disadvantaged members of society, but an unfortunately common side effect of that support is the implication that you, as a privileged person, possess some sort of divinely introspective advice; that you can take your help away from marginalized people as you see fit if they don't operate within your defined parameters. Hence the lecturing, admonishments and condescension about how black people should be thankful for Sander's existence as a Democratic presidential candidate.
This does not mean that all other affairs have to be put on hold for black people. We are not the center of the universe. Nor is Kaitlyn Jenner, Cecil the Lion, or Zachary Hammond (or the hundreds of other whites and non-blacks who have been illicitly slain by law enforcement). We can also mourn the loss of fallen officers like Tremaine Wilbourn while still acknowledging and confronting police brutality. I'm tired of the juvenile notion that one tragedy excludes all other tragedies, but like many other black people, I think it's a bit screwed up how easily and how comfortably we can be ignored.
What's not helping is telling people that their suffering has to be put on hold, that there has to be a "better time" for the discussion note or that you're being disruptive, which is a fundamental quality of a protest - to be disruptive because other means have been exhausted.
edited 8th Aug '15 9:07:47 PM by Aprilla
The Mistress
Hmmmmmm
"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
I'm in the "Bernie actually cares" camp.
I think he's staying quiet because his main voter base tends to be young white leftists which to be sorta honest only stand with black people and minorities in general when it's convenient. Any serious efforts to help them are gonna cause some major political and cultural turmoil and that'll just scare most of them off.
Oh really when?
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edited 6th Aug '15 4:30:25 PM by Kiefen