Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

Put them all in an Arena in a Last Man Standing match!

Kill all those murderous bastards!

When white people riot, it's a "public disturbance." When black people riot, it's a "dangerous mob" and "destructive to their communities".

Camille Cosby is the biggest victim in all these allegations.

What if white and black people riot?

Then it probably depends on what they're rioting for and which is the numerical majority on that particular mob.

Yep. If it's a challenge to the precious white supremacy, it's stomped out.

Even in Africa?

Ask Euo.

And also, anybody can be racist towards anyone else^note  Even themselves, or any group they belong to . That should be obvious.

edited 21st Nov '14 5:55:56 AM by Greenmantle

You joke, but who knows what apartheid was like in the Southern countries. I was at a museum for a riot when I visited South Africa many years back. This crap is everywhere.

It is a well known fact that apartheid was in fact stopped by the City of Glasgow, Scotland.

I think there's a joke I'm not getting here.

Does it have to do with some movie I heard about called "The Last King of Scotland" whose trailer had an unusual number of black people in it despite supposedly being about "Scotland?"

That movie was about Idi Amin!

Glasgow was the first city to name a street (a whole square, actually) after Mandela, and was the first British city he visited. The council loves to go on about it.

TLKOS is about Idi Amin, who was the dictator of Uganda between 1971 and 1979, and, as part of his batshit insanity, had a passion for Scotland, even going so far as to declare himself the uncrowned King. This was because he admired his Scottish officers when he served in the King's African Rifles during twilight years of Britain's African empire.

edited 21st Nov '14 6:05:18 AM by Achaemenid

Oh god, why did I read that, on the one hand he sounded like a hilarious man after my own heart (Cartoons!) but on the other hand he's a monstrous dictator that performed numerous atrocities.

It's like the Joker only far less funny.

I apologize for my lack of knowledge on who and what can be considered a good source of news on the U.S.

I hope the link is not one to those of crazy sites or something

Basically, 12 year old child was shot down, in the stomach, by police after he seemed to be reaching for a gun, which resulted to be a toy gun.

No, it's been reported outside the US.

Okay, based on just this article (and I will read others in time, I'm just throwing this post out for discussion first) the cops did their job. As much as it sucks, they didn't do anything wrong.

Now that could change if new information comes out or something like that. Like I said, I'll do my research.

1) The age of the person doesn't really matter. You can say it does all day, but I want a picture of this kid. Just because he is 12 doesn't mean he looks 12, doesn't mean he's acting like a kid, doesn't mean he is responding to police force like a kid. Andrew Golden was 12 years old when he helped 14 year old Mitchell Johnson kill four people and injure more in the Jonesborro Massacre. Kids can be dangerous, so the age isn't that important.

2) Just because a gun is a toy doesn't mean that it looks like a toy. Look at the picture in the article. There is no orange tip (kids often pry those off with butter knives). There is no plastic shine. Take that to the gun thread and they can probably match it to a specific model. This wasn't a kid with a nerf gun. There is nothing about that that on first glance would just scream "toy".

3) You call the cops and tell them it's a guy brandishing a weapon, they have to treat this like worse case scenario. They have to treat it as if that's a real gun with real intent to harm. That's the freaking law. This kid was asked to move his hands, not go for a gun. This was a dumbass move.

Another article with better picture of the gun and the note that this isn't being treated as a race issue by the family.

Look, the cops can't seem to win. And I want this conversation to happen and some cops are fucked up, but you can't have your cake and eat it to.

Let's say that they tazed the kid instead. Let's say they could get close enough to taze him. Even the best stun gun needs 12 foot clearance. Do you want to get that close to someone with a gun and who has been brandishing it? Fuck no. You try to keep as much distance as possible. That way you have time and distance to react and protect yourself.

You are trained to treat every weapon as real and deadly. A beer bottle will be treated just as dangerous as a knife because it is. A knife is treated just as seriously as a gun because it is.

You pull a weapon on a cop, you will get shot. They have the right to defend themselves. Their job is to take down threats. You pull a gun after being surrounded and told to put your hands up, you know they will use lethal force.

I'm sorry this kid is dead. I'm even more sorry for the cop that had to shoot him. But there wasn't much they could do. If this kid did have live rounds, and someone was hurt, I don't have a single doubt that they would be hollering they should have just shot him instead of tazing him. Tazing also doesn't make you unable to pull a trigger. In fact, if your hand is on the gun, being tazed can make you pull the trigger and not let go.

It's not a fail safe. The fail safe would have been for the kid to do what the hell he was told. Especially when a police officer is pointing a gun at you.

The stomach is one of the most painful places to be shot at :(

I saw the pictures of the gun too: it definitely did not look like a toy gun and plenty of places mention it was a replica gun. I also found one with a picture of the child, lemme see if I can dig it up again...

Colt 1911

The situation is tragic, but I'm with Gab. The police responded the only way they could. If they had assumed that the gun wasn't real and it had been, then they could have gotten themselves or an innocent killed. It's a no-win situation — either you assume people are are bad guys and sometimes overreact, or you assume people are good guys and sometimes get burned for it.

I'd wait and see if there's any footage of the incident before making a judgement one way or the other, which is my advice whenever this happens.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/23/boy-fake-gun-shot/19438005/

The thumbnail has a pic.

So does The BBC article.

so wait, the caller said the gun was fake, but the police shot anyway?

There is contention that the police were informed.

Here is how 911 works.

You call 911 and you're immediately bumped to the closest 911 dispatch. That may not be the jurisdiction dispatch that actually responds to the call.

Example, I called the other day about a car on fire on the side of the interstate. I got bumped to three different dispatch centers before my call was actually considered and taken information on because the first available dispatch wasn't the actual ones who were legally permitted to act on the call. I had to go through Little Rock, then North Little Rock, then the State police.

Anyway, the call is taken and dispatch then alerts everyone who needs to be on alert, in this case fire and rescue as well as the police. Dispatch keeps up with what units are available and do they need to pull from somewhere first, etc. So dispatch finds a unit and radios that specific unit.

Unit 557 (pulling a number out of my ass) gets the call from dispatch, confirms their location, then after that is certain, dispatch sends them location with the code. White, sedan, late model on fire. But if dispatch doesn't tell the cops something, there is no other way for that officer to know.

AND EVEN IF THEY DID:

Procedure is still the same. It would have been handled the exact same way. Again, just because some guy called 911 and said the gun could be a fake doesn't mean that it is. That is not important information and honestly, most civilians are unreliable as shit. The cops aren't going to risk their lives or the lives of others on what someone says they think.

Asians being used to dismantle Affirmative Action, starting at the top with Harvard.

The thing I'm left wondering in this case, especially in light of all the other police shooting rates, is the niggling thought that if the kid was white, not black, would he still have been shot, or would the police have attempted a less lethal solution?

They probably would've at least tried to talk them down, we're always perceived as inherently more dangerous.

i dont think so at all. you cant really talk to someone who pulls a gun when you tell them to put their hands up.