First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
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Source? Everything I have read is that the mother fired as well—at the boyfriend's younger (9?) brother who was sitting on the steps next to the daughter.
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The article I read was this one
. It says the mother was just sitting in the car, and is not being charged with anythingnote , but it also hasn't been announced if the police department will suspend/fire her for her involvement.
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The NYDN link is from Monday. The TulsaWorld link is from yesterday (Wednesday).
Sorry to say, but your source is very outdated.
Lisa Kepler said her father shouted at her and that as Lake attempted to introduce himself, Shannon Kepler shot Lake.
Lisa Kepler said she had attempted to stop the shooting but then ran and hid behind a large rose bush in the front yard as her father fired a shot at her that missed. Lisa Kepler said she told authorities it was her dad who was the triggerman.
"I'm not scared of my dad," she said, in tears and openly wondering why he would shoot someone he didn't know.
Josh Mills, 23, a friend of Lake's, said he was also at the scene during the shooting. He said Shannon Kepler also fired a shot at Lake's 13-year-old brother, who was sitting on the front porch. The bullet ricocheted and grazed the boy in the upper arm, Mills said.
Mills said he had paramedic training and tried to stem Lake's bleeding and locate the bullet wounds. Mills said it appeared Lake had been shot in the chest and neck from about 3-feet away. Mills and Lake hadn't known each other long but had become close.
"He was like a brother to me for two weeks," Mills said, tearing up as he described how Lake died in his arms.
Lisa Kepler said her parents had kicked her out of their home recently because of poor "life decisions" she had made and dropped her off at the Tulsa Day Center for the Homeless. Lisa Kepler declined to say what those life decisions were.
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The couple are expected to be placed on paid administrative leave until they are charged, Roberson said.
However, prosecutors dropped the accessory to murder charges, which is pretty damned ridiculous. How she doesn't have attempted murder charges against her, I have no idea.
The paid administrative leave always bothers me, too.
edited 20th Aug '14 9:40:54 PM by Cyran
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I can't speak for Tulsa PD, but LRPD puts officers on paid leave if they still have dependents for the sake of the kids. Just because mom or dad messed up the family still needs that income to survive.
From what I gather, this couple still has a younger set of kids.
Now I also know LRPD has a provision where you have to pay that money back if convicted.
Hopefully Tulsa has similar provisions.
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Alternatively, the paid leave might be a legal thing: if you have a contract that specifies you are to be paid such and such an amount, then (barring conviction, not merely criminal charges) they can't say, "don't come to work, and we won't pay you", because they'll be sued to oblivion for breach of contract. However, if they pay you, they can say "don't come to work", because if you're still being paid, you don't have standing, or incentive for that matter, to sue them. Not to mention it sits better with the unions.
Incidentally, I do think having the pay being conditional on being found not guilty/having charges dropped/etc. is a good idea.
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Well, paid leave if you're innocent is fair. You're okay and you still have your job.
If you're guilty, no problem, the pay you got now becomes restitution to the state and you pay as part of your punishment.
It may seem crazy in a what appears to be a very cut and dry case like this. But for all the people who scream "INNOCENT UNTIL GUILTY!!!" Well, it is supposed to happen here too.
You can't pick and choose when you want human rights to be applied, supposedly.
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90% of the population here has light skin, rendering the whole thing seeming like spiteful satire?
edited 21st Aug '14 4:43:10 PM by Grounder
What country are you from? Obviously it wouldn't make sense if you're from, say, Sweden.
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USA.
I wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't.
I wouldn't say it's spiteful. Maybe you haven't heard about it, but a bunch of people were saying "You all care about Mike Brown, but don't care about black on black/black on white crime." The article is in response to that. Also the US isn't 90% white.
edited 21st Aug '14 5:58:37 PM by wuggles
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You are correct. Really should have Google checked it.
Still over 70% percentage.
The US is only 62% white when not counting Latinos? Strange, I thought it was higher than that.
lol
Nah. The lower income bracket breed quicker, and the lower income bracket has been mainly minorities for a decent time so... Yeah.
Latest projection of whites being less than 50% of the population is 2043. That's under two generations, lol!
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edited 23rd Aug '14 5:46:27 PM by rmctagg09
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Fixed.
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Salon is the left wing's New York Post.
That said:
Even though I think both sides need to wait for more information in the Mike Brown case, this part was very true. And the right wing does have a drastically overinflated view of how many black people commit crimes and are on welfare.
edited 24th Aug '14 12:46:53 PM by Wheezy
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Family says man beaten, shot over mixed-race grandchildren
There's even burning crosses involved. (I'm asking what the Sheriff is thinking on the LEO thread.)
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.Assuming what the Sheriff said is accurate(and from what I've seen, it appears to be), then he's thinking is obeying the law he is meant to enforce.
While I agree that this was horrible, I don't think the Sheriff should get the blame for either what laws there are, or what charges are being pursued, as neither of these things are under his control. The legislature writes the law, and as such determines what is and isn't a hate crime. The district attorney, or similar office, who prosecutes the case decides what charges to persue. I think holding the government accountable for its short comings is important, but if we do so, we need to blame those responsible, not use scapegoats.
Or to put it another way: Correction, what are the Legislature/Prosecutor thinking?
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Here's an interesting look into British Race Relations that has come up in a report about the exploitation of at least 1,400 children exploited in Rotherham in Yorkshire.
More specifically, here is the quote from The BBC article on the Report:
The majority of those behind the abuse were described as Asian, while the victims were young white girls. Yet the report found that councillors failed to engage with the town's Pakistani-heritage community during the inquiry period.
Some councillors were said to have hoped the issue would "go away", thinking it was a "one-off problem". The report said several staff members were afraid they would be labelled racist if they identified the race of the perpetrators, while others said they were instructed by their managers not to do so. Several councillors interviewed believed highlighting the race element would "give oxygen" to racist ideas and threaten community cohesion.
edited 27th Aug '14 3:55:31 AM by Greenmantle
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Not nearly as much oxygen as this fallout is probably giving it.
Re: Tulsa incident: I can't seem to access either of those links at work, so I googled it. It wasn't a case of "dad doesn't like daughter's new boyfriend," which is what that headline seems to declare. The dad was a cop, who drove to a runaway teen shelter where his daughter was staying, gunned down the boy and then shot at his own daughter while his wife (who also works for the police department) sat in the passenger seat and watched. His department has already fired him and prosecution is preparing to try him on first-degree murder charges. note
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