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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM
About the Indiana thing, I've just read about that on Facebook, and I looked at the comments. Let's just say homophobes love playing the victim even if they DO get their way.
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I am sad I cannot read such comments for I love the trainwreck that are online comments.
I mean. Look at those guys posting their opinions on the internet! How stupid are they!?
edited 30th Mar '15 3:02:21 PM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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This Facebook post in particular sums up my feelings on the Indiana issue:
Dear President Obama,
3 years ago, a religious zealot took control of my state's government. He has routinely attacked the basic human liberties of my neighbors and those less fortunate (he went after the 1st and 14th amendments in 2015, alone). He has the ability to raise a small army in defense of his civil atrocities (known colloquially as the "National Guard"). I've also heard rumours of chemical weapons being stored in his state (somewhere near Newport).
I view it as the responsibility of the United States of America and all developed countries to form a coalition to depose this tyrant.
edited 30th Mar '15 3:56:39 PM by car2nage
Crossposting from US Politics thread:
Huh, well that didn't take long. Indiana has added a fix to the criticized religious freedom act
Summary, The changes prohibit businesses from using the law as a defense in court for refusing "to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing" to any customers based on "race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United States military service."
Why would they make a religious freedom law in the wake of gay people demanding service if it wasn't to be able to refuse them?
That's the point. That's what the law was intended to do, but there was so much backlash(and businesses cancelling plans to do business i Indaina) that they had to make sure you COULDN'T.
So what does it do now.
I'm....not really sure actually. What DO these sort of laws accomplish anyways? (When not trying to be used for justifying bigotry, that is?)
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Optimistic answer: it's there to allow people to express their religion, rather than restrict people because of their lack of adherence to another person's religion.
Cynical answer: they got caught with their pants down, stuck between their constituency demanding "religious freedom" and the boycott brigade, and so had to create something that is actually very good for the LGBT community.
Especially because this law could be taken as a protection of sexual orientation as a class in the state. It would be easier for a terminated LGBT person to argue that any attempt to discriminate based upon sexuality is religiously motivated, and therefore in violation of the law.
NOT THE BEES
I assume that without that garbage, it essentially becomes a reiteration of Clinton's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was originally enacted to protect Native American sacred ground and rituals.
edited 3rd Apr '15 9:33:09 AM by Pykrete
Pretty much. Also, the new wording opens the door for treating orientation and gender identity as protected classes in Indiana, so ultimately it's a net good for LGBT people.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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They forgot about our country's chief religion: capitalism.
Yep. Watching the state economy go up in flames in under a week suddenly changes a lot of minds.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
If only Arkansas gave the same damns...
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
But didn't the governor in Arkansas declare he wouldn't sign the bill without significant revisions?
He only did that because Walmart asked him not to.
AH is not for gay rights. He is pretty much for banning gay marriage forever. He helped it get there.
This is the same guy who is trying to dismantle the ACA and of the $100 million tax cut, none of it is going to people, well, anyone under $500K a year. Most is going to corporations.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Yeah, i guess it's kind of sad if you're the state where Wal-Mart's the one telling you to clean up your act.
Walmart cant afford to lose their businesses anymore than they already have.
Being from the home state of bigotry doesn't help their crappy image.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
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Anti-bigotry critics slam wrong business, some even after the owners posted that they are in favor of LGBT rights. Talk about your critical research fails.
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Weird, it opened right up for me. But for clarity:
People posted angry comments on Memories Gourmet Pizza's Facebook page and called its phone number to protest. And almost overnight, Premeau and Danke found themselves thrust unwillingly into a national debate over Indiana's controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act. "My stomach was in my throat all afternoon," Danke told CNN affiliates WBND and WFRV. "All of a sudden, our Facebook page started getting flooded," Premeau said. "I was shocked. It was like I was a rat running around in a cage, wondering what's going on here."
In a cruel coincidence, the flood of outrage began on Wednesday, April Fool's Day. "If I'm ever in the area, I'll be sure to starve to death before I give you and you intolerance any of my money!" wrote one commenter on Facebook. "I don't have much of a message, except that I hope your bigotry puts you out of business very quickly," a man said in a voice mail. Premeau thinks the firestorm was sparked by people Googling "Memories Pizza" and confusing the two businesses — despite the fact that Nichols and Walkerton are in separate states and almost 300 miles apart. He and Danke tried to defuse the outcry with a Facebook post saying in part, "We are not that company in Indiana, nor do we agree or condone their words or actions." In response, they began getting messages of support on Facebook, along with a few sharp-tongued comments from supporters of the other Memories Pizza.
Premeau said he also got a call from a man whose initial post may have set off the social media storm, apologizing for the mistake. Still, he worries that damage to his wholesale pizza business may have been done. "This misinformation and this defamation of character could cause me to lose the business over someone else's identity in another state," he said.
So sad...I'd buy a pizza from them if they weren't so far away.
Spence has signed the legislation in Indiana into law, and we are already seeing commercial consequence - Salesforce have cancelled all travel to Indiana, saying they do not want their customers or staff to experience discrimination.
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