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LGBT Rights and America:

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edited 4th Oct '13 8:24:48 AM by Madrugada

There are many reasons for governments to recognize marriage. Immigration issues, particularly reuniting immigrants with their families. There's also international consistency as civil unions are not recognized worldwide while marriages are so this effects visitors to foreign nations. It also allows athiests, agnostics, and sometimes people of mixed religion to get formally married.

Governments recognizing marriage doesn't seem to be causing problems by itself aside from the fact posters seem to complain about it whenever gay marriage is brought up. If you want to get rid of civil marriage, you need to provide a reason why governments should no longer recognize it aside from just proposing it as an option.

edited 25th May '11 6:16:06 PM by CBanana

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 102 Pykrete, Wed, 25th May '11 7:13:05 PM from Viridian Forest
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Oh, no, I acknowledge the libertarian point of view, but since it's so often coupled with straight up homophobia, it's difficult to take it seriously when the consequences of removing the privilege will so obviously and blatantly be to enable discriminatory behavior.

People who conduct marriages have the right to be discriminatory. Really though, I'd prefer it was stricken from law and the churches would ease up on it.

edited 25th May '11 7:13:20 PM by Pykrete

 103 inane 242, Wed, 25th May '11 8:32:21 PM from A B-Movie Bildungsroman
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Well, why would I want to get married in a homophobic church in the first place? In my ideal world I could hold a nice, civil ceremony with a justice of the peace and be done with it. In my experience a lot of opposition to gay marriage is from people who are under the impression that if we can get married we'll force their churches to marry us. That just isn't so.
 104 Jeysie, Wed, 25th May '11 8:58:23 PM from Western Massachusetts
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Yeah, even if I married a guy, it still wouldn't be in a church anyway. As long as it's legally possible to marry, that's the main thing.

edited 25th May '11 8:58:41 PM by Jeysie

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I'd be glad if churches buried people according to their wishes. Went through so much trouble to get my grandparents's burials to be done as they desired.

 
 106 Kexruct, Fri, 27th May '11 11:44:52 AM from Vvardenfell
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Those anti-gay idiots give intelligent Christians like me a bad name. Did I mention I'm CATHOLIC?!
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 108 Blue Ninja 0, Sun, 1st Jan '12 3:57:27 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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Two more states have joined the list with civil unions - Hawaii and Delaware. So now homosexuals can blow massive amounts of cash to get married in Hawaii. Some excerpts below:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/01/us/civil-unions/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
(CNN) — Several same-sex couples came together in the first minutes of New Year's Day in Honolulu to become the first in the state's history to enter into civil unions.

"We really don't want to wait any longer because we have been together for 33 years waiting for the opportunity and our rights and everything that goes with it, " said Donna Gedge, who was with her partner Monica Montgomery, speaking to CNN affiliate KITV. "So why wait?"

The couple told CNN last week about their plans to stay up late for the ceremony.

With Hawaii and Delaware joining the list Sunday, five states now recognize same-sex civil unions, while six other states and Washington, D.C., allow same-sex marriage, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Illinois, New Jersey, and Rhode Island already recognize civil unions providing state-level spousal rights to same-sex couples, the NCSL says.

Marriage licenses are given to same-sex couples in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York and the District of Columbia, the NCSL says.

Delaware said its new law became effective at 10 a.m. Sunday.

In Hawaii, online application for civil union licenses was made available beginning at midnight, despite the fact that government offices are closed until Tuesday, the state government said.

The union becomes valid after a ceremony performed by someone licensed by the Department of Health.

"It means that our state supports us, and that's a really good feeling after all this time, " Montgomery said at the ceremony.

The Delaware Family Policy Council, which says its goal is to "educate, equip, unify and engage the citizens of Delaware in advocating for family values and preserving the integrity of the family as an institution, " argued that civil unions "are a springboard to redefining marriage."

"You can't really talk about civil unions without talking about same-sex 'marriage' because there really isn't any difference, " the group argued.

But Markell, at a signing ceremony last year, said, "This bill is about a new energy and excitement. It's about a moment in our history that came about because people came together to work for it, because it became clear that Delaware's LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) community is in fact part of every Delaware community. The greater good is served when we speak out and fight hard when we see that bias, prejudice or even outdated laws attempt to lessen any one of us."

Bonnie Limatoc, who was part of the midnight ceremony in Hawaii on Sunday, told KITV, "The historic part for me is to be one of the first to open that door so that the rest of them after us, there's others out there that want to do this. ... We can show them, "Hey, you love somebody, you have the right to be with them the rest of your life also.'"

"Our message is go for the gusto, " her partner Lydia Pontin added. "Don't be ashamed."
To this, I can only reply - What the FUCK, Las Vegas? You're supposed to be Sin City, the hedonism capital of the world! What is wrong with you when gays can get married on a tropical beach, but not at a drive-thru by an Elvis impersonator? tongue Mere words cannot express how disappointed I am in my home town right now.

Oh yeah, and good for you HI and DE.
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 109 Aceof Spades, Sun, 1st Jan '12 4:57:51 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Uhm... can a city legalize gay civil unions when the rest of the state doesn't because it's conservative as all hell? The southwest tends towards conservatism as much as the southeast.
 110 The Westerner, Sun, 1st Jan '12 5:05:14 PM from The Land of Fools
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[up]Southwest ?......California's in the Southwest. California ....conservative leaning ? Pfffffttttt.
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 112 johnnyfog, Sun, 1st Jan '12 5:35:51 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
What the FUCK, Las Vegas? You're supposed to be Sin City, the hedonism capital of the world!

Actually, the socialism capital of the world. And too many casino owners are puppeting Presidential candidates this election. Whole place ought to be closed down for competing for water with Lake Mead alone.
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 113 setnakhte, Sun, 1st Jan '12 6:24:26 PM from inside your closet
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 114 Aceof Spades, Sun, 1st Jan '12 6:59:32 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
California ended up repealing their gay marriage act at some point. Therefor, not quite as liberal as people think it is. They may have reinstated it, but I haven't really heard anything about it for a few months.

edited 1st Jan '12 7:09:37 PM by AceofSpades

 115 johnnyfog, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:02:00 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Outside of Hollywood and San Francisco, it's not. It's like here on the east coast. Frankly I don't know why we're blue. The steep majority are moderates in the counties, conservatives in the suburbs, bigots on Long Island and religious nuts in between.
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 116 Kino, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:03:10 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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Hey, those religious nuts give the city flavor.
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 117 johnnyfog, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:18:57 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Kino's back? Phew. I was about to give up the OTB and go do something productive. waii
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 118 Kino, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:22:07 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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Figured I'd grace you with my presence.
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 119 Wicked 223, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:48:42 PM from Death Star in the forest
so, what you're saying is, we are the 53%?
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 120 Kino, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:49:35 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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Speak for yourself dude. I hate getting lumped into random percentages.
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 121 Flyboy, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:50:13 PM from the United States
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so, what you're saying is, we are the 53%?

That's what I thought of, too. [lol]
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 122 Kino, Sun, 1st Jan '12 7:56:27 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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Let's hope you guys have a list of valid complaints, and don't start bitching like angry teenagers; people might take you seriously if you do.[lol]
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 123 The Westerner, Mon, 2nd Jan '12 12:12:54 AM from The Land of Fools
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@Ace That's because the liberals don't like to vote.

I'm no liberal though. I consider myself a moderate.
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 125 The Westerner, Mon, 2nd Jan '12 12:29:46 AM from The Land of Fools
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