Unclear: Absurdly Youthful Mother

The Cable image has an guy pointing at someone who looks younger than he is and introducing him as his father. That's shows the trope.

I mean overlap between 2&3. There are a number of examples with arguments on them on if the character is just drawn younger or if they have some sort of magic anti-aging because it's never explicitly said one way or the other in the show.

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I don't see the problem when an example fits two tropes. And I think that examples of parants who look younger than they are because of some supernatural effects are examples of point 1.

Examples of point two should be something like this timetraveling annoying pink haired child of Sailor Moon. And cases when the children are aged up or the parents down by some supernatural forces.

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I don't see how this is even possible. If there is some magic going on it is likely to be pointed in the story. And, anyway, if it is suggested in story, without being clear, it still deserves a mention on the trope anyway. As Osmium pointed, there is no problem a example that fit two tropes. The two are very different in nature, so such overlap shouldn't be all that common.

Exactly. As well as the Cable example. Time travel is essentially magic here. The point is the age difference did change due to some non natural reason. Harmless Freezing for ages could also count, for example.

edited 18th May '11 11:59:34 AM by Heatth

What we think should happen, and what the examples indicate are two different things. They should be clear cut in theory. In practice, they aren't.

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The Cable image should be used for a new "meeting your parents and you're older than them" time travel type trope, which certainly should not be lumped in with these other examples.

I agree but, until we decide to split, I think it make a nice page image.

Crowner's attached. Vote 'er up.

Willbyr, I changed the link in the crowner to point to the TRS thread, rather than page 3 of this thread. If that's where you really meant for it to point, I apologize.

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Thanks for catching that, I did mean to point it to the TRS thread.

Well, we have to wait to see how the TRS handles this, but I do think it very likely that the "mother's appearance is too young for her to have a child that age" is likely to be it's own trope.

That's what I thought this trope was.

For that trope complaining about anime (or cartoons) pictures are missing the point that this is extremely prominent in animation. To a degree even greater then in Live Action.

For a trope like that the caption is going to have to do some of the work. Not all of it of course, but since the trope is about appearances being deceptive the picture is going to show one thing and then the caption another.

For example, this image:

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With a caption: "Grandmother, mother, and child"

Together the caption and picture make the trope clear. I don't really see any other way to depict a deceptive appearance trope.

Isn't relying on captions generally frowned upon here?

The above picture is still too unclear. The problem with anime is that in a lot of them, everyone looks the same age.

You can use captions a little. There is absolutely no way to display this without some text, and why can't it be in the caption?

Sackett's is perfect.

Why do we have an image suggestion in the crowner? Considering the option "Replace with one of the other pic suggestions." is negative suggesting one of the other pics is problematic, Right now we have the result: Don't replace it but replace it...

That said, without a result in the TRS replacing the image is not a good idea, if we change the definition we have to pick an other image.

I tried to cover all the possible options when I set up the crowner. Since the Cable/Cyclops pic had some support, I didn't think it was right to ignore that. That being said, I'd much prefer to leave a pic off the page until the TRS thread resolves, although I'm not completely against the idea of having a pic on the page until that happens if it works well enough.

EDIT: Now that I've given it some thought, Sackett's pic/caption combo above works better than the current pic, so we could remove the "another suggestion" option and add it in separately so it's got a fair shake from the start.

edited 25th Jul '11 5:55:53 PM by Willbyr

Well, this one's more than a week old and the crowner's pretty clear. The new pic is up, potholed, captioned, and tagged. Once the TRS resolves, someone should start a new thread if the new pic doesn't work anymore or goes to a subtrope. Locking this up.