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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Well that's one way to sum up the situation.
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Alien invasion of Earth thwarted as they accidentally land in the UK and say "Take me to your leader"
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@ Scotland: I agree with the Spanish PM — Scotland not going the long way round would be as seen as giving an unfair advantage to the Scots, which wouldn't sit well with recently-joined members (like Croatia, which had a ten-year ascension process).
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Channcellor George Osborne rules himself out of Tory leadership race.
edited 29th Jun '16 9:15:30 AM by Demonic_Braeburn
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
The Scots are a special case though in the sense that they technically already were long-time members before the UK pulled the rug away from under them.
It is btw very funny that the Britain's are now balking about the notion that Scotland wants to leave "the empire" after they themselves have built their Brexit argument on the need to "break free". So...apparently breaking free is only an understandable desire if you are not under the British thumb?
edited 29th Jun '16 9:34:53 AM by Swanpride
That. Scotland actually gets on really well with smaller member states, Croatia among them. The little guys standing together. In any case, Spain is unlikely to hold much weight in the discussion, not when the likes of France and Germany, in addition to smaller nations like Belgium and Netherlands, are cool with Scotland taking a quick route.
We can offer a lot and, unlike rUK, we're not going to bite the hand that feeds and demand all sorts of special treats we haven't earned.
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Frankly, if Scotland and Northern Ireland were to break off and (re)join the EU, it would be the ultimate "fuck off" to Leavers in Britain. I would love that outcome if only for the delicious schadenfreude, despite how awful it would be for the UK.
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Her letter of resignation as education spokeswoman was hardly a great work of literature:
edited 29th Jun '16 9:38:02 AM by SeptimusHeap
Those states also have an interest in having Scotland in to balance out the south votes (which is what Spain protesting is actually all about, they want more power in the EU as a whole, not another member who will most likely cast his vote with the middle-European power houses). And naturally Germany, France aso have an interest in having more allies in the EU, or they will suddenly see themselves outvoted from the "poorer" nations.
Northern Ireland is kind of an interesting case considering how difficult the German reunion was, even though it happen with at least one financially healthy and stable state, and not between two states which are struggling and have terrorist cells in them to boot.
edited 29th Jun '16 9:39:55 AM by Swanpride
A reverse Greenland situation is theoretically possible, though I'm sure it wouldn't actually happen without Sexit.
For the uninitiated, Greenland left the EU not long after gaining autonomy - but not complete independence - from Denmark, which is still in it. Though Denmark haven't bought entirely into the EU either, being one of the very few EU countries not in the Eurozone.
Denmark is "small but annoying"...meaning that they happen to be placed on a very convenient spot on the map, making it easy for them to write more or less their own rules to a certain degree. And Greenland is not dependent on the trade the way the UK is.
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Guys, tell me, is Scotireland even remotely in the field of possibilities? Or at least a tight union like in Scandinavia?
edited 29th Jun '16 9:46:03 AM by TheHandle
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So that's what this does
Nicola Sturgeon has been in talks with Ireland. Not aware of any further details.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/little-support-second-referendum/
The petitioners may be disappointed.
People seem to care the least when it's about Scotland leaving. What's Scotland's general place in the UK or, I guess, how is it usually perceived elsewhere in the nation?
edited 29th Jun '16 10:48:06 AM by LSBK
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Perceived? Since the first Independence Referendum, as a foreign country. From my point of view, if they can just hurry up and Leave and get this over and done with the better.
I'm quite sure if the asked the English whether Scotland should be independent, you might get a victory for Independence.
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edited 29th Jun '16 11:04:28 AM by Greenmantle
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of course Leave say that, they won! but if they had lost they would be accusing MI 5 of rigging the vote and shit
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Ed Miliband calls for Jeremy Corbyn to resign as Labour leader over Brexit.
Regarding Labour:
Say they put forward a challenger not about to be buried by Chilcot and say that person wins the leadership, then I think Labour will lose the general election - how badly is up in the air. If they'd started from 'we want to challenge the leadership and choose to nominate this person' it would be a completely different situation, but this entire production disgusts me (and I'm positive I'm not alone there) and provides the Tories with a a ton of ammunition.
Say they put forward a challenger who voted for the Iraq war and against investigations into it (applies to both Angela Eagle and Tom Watson, who are currently the likely challengers). In the unlikely event they win - Chilcot report is due next Wednesday - I think Labour will be crushed in the general.
Say Corbyn wins and we keep our current slate of M Ps - no reselections or resignations - I think Labour will be absolutely buried. They can't pull together now.
Say Corbyn wins and there is the option of reselection (e.g. if there is sufficient support for an alternative candidate locally then the reselection occurs - a local version of a leadership challengenote ), then I think Labour actually stands a chance. A small one, but better than the alternatives. A significant portion of the M Ps resigning due to Chilcot works too.
If Corbyn is replaced then the elite will take on board that they can get rid of the leader chosen by the electorate by these means and we've lost our chance at getting Labour back for the people, and I'll be turning to the Greens for hope. Given how broken the party will be in this situation, there's actually hope that the Greens could win more seats and - eventually - take Labour's old place.
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Eagle and her allies in the PLP are currently one-upping each other in a contest to be the most pathetic excuses for politicians in the country.
Angela Eagle will NOT challenge Jeremy Corbyn. She will only stand when/if there is a contest. "It's a Mexican stand-off", says senior MP.
Latest ploy from anti-Corbyn faction: "He has said he would relish a leadership challenge. He needs to resign and give us one."
So that's what this does
Anybody think that Cameron laying into Corbyn was meant to help him? I mean it's not like the Tories think Corbyn can win an election either, but it gave his supporters campaign material.
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Sarah Vine accidentally sends secret Tory leadership email to a member of the public
Sky News have been passed an email from Vine setting out the Justice Secretary’s leadership plotting after she accidentally cc’ed in a member of public. The email — sent yesterday — raises some awkward questions for the pair. While a Gove/Boris joint ticket is on the cards, it is by no means a done deal, with Vine suggesting Gove exert caution before pairing with BoJo:
Close ties with the media, you say? 
edited 29th Jun '16 11:58:15 AM by Greenmantle
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That will be very interesting to see the outcome of. Sturgeon seems to know what she's doing, and is certainly being very nice and kind and friendly to EU leaders. If she gets a good result here, Scotland could be in for some serious benefit.