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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Jeremy H(C)unt is seeking impose the new contract on Junior Doctors without any more negotiation http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/11/jeremy-hunt-to-impose-contract-on-junior-doctors?CMP=fb_gu
advancing the front into TV Tropes...Must run in the family or something.
"Yup. That tasted purple."Closures of almost 20% of all courts and tribunals in England and Wales announced
Ministers said 48% of court buildings were empty at least half of the time last year, but the Law Society warns closures could limit access to justice. Crown courts, county courts, family courts, youth courts, civil courts and tribunal hearing centres are among the centres that will close.
Independent to cease printing and become online-only
Shame. Always liked the Indy.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
Newspapers don't make money any more.
edited 12th Feb '16 8:16:01 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnMakes sense. The online news sites have a much wider reach than the newspapers ever did, and certainly more reach than newspapers do in this day and age.
Ignoring certain tabloids, of course - but even they are in a downwards spiral regarding their circulation now compared to in the past.
edited 12th Feb '16 10:41:09 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Lord Voldemort distances himself from Jeremy Cunt.
"We have done some awful things in our time, but Hunt's evil is far worse than we can comprehend, and he is not among my Death Eaters".
Privileged tosspot wankers...
edited 13th Feb '16 6:06:08 AM by EruditeEsotericist
Like everyone that's been to University?
Other (Actual) News:
Reuters: U.S. Defence Secretary says UK needs nuclear weapons for 'outsized' world role
A decision on replacing the ageing fleet of four submarines which carry nuclear warheads is due to be made this year and while Prime Minister David Cameron is committed to renewal, the issue has caused deep divisions in the opposition Labour Party.
The government has said replacing the submarines will cost 31 billion pounds while Reuters has puts the overall cost of renewing and maintaining a successor to Trident at more than 167 billion pounds over 32 years.
Carter said the submarine fleet helped the "special relationship" Britain enjoyed with the United States, the BBC said on its website.
The deterrent allowed Britain to "continue to play that outsized role on the global stage that it does because of its moral standing and its historical standing," he was quoted as saying.
"It's important that the military power matches that standing and so we're very supportive of it. We depend upon the United Kingdom, the United Kingdom depends on us, that's part of the special relationship."
While most lawmakers in Cameron's party support keeping nuclear weapons, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, a veteran left-wing and anti-war activist, supports unilateral disarmament and is holding a review of the party's policy.
That has led to deep divisions among its lawmakers and earlier this week Labour's home affairs spokesman Andy Burnham said it might be impossible for the party to agree a position.
The Independent: George Osborne to be handed control of Whitehall marketing budget
Under plans being developed, Government departments will lose the freedom to run their own marketing campaigns. Instead they will put funds into a central pot controlled by the chancellor and prime minister. The Cabinet Office said the single campaigns budget would bring “greater value for the taxpayer” through “better prioritisation and an end to duplication”.
However, Whitehall observers highlighted the role of the Treasury in allocating the new fund, moving its remit into areas where it previously had no authority. A Cabinet Office presentation showing Mr Osborne alongside David Cameron at the top of a flowchart setting out responsibility for making decisions about the fund has fuelled claims of a power grab.
In other words, the Treasury now controls everything.
Daily Telegraph: Millions face 'retirement crisis' over pensions tax raid
Why? It saves money, of course.
Sir Alan Duncan, a former minister, said: "What is really important for the future is that we have stability, no retrospective adjustments and a system that encourages people to put a lot of money away for the future.
"You can't plan for a pension if you are halfway through doing it and someone pulls the rug from beneath you."
Hymans Robertson analysed its database of more than half a million savers and estimated how much money they will have in their retirement.
Under official measures, the majority of higher rate taxpayers are considered to have an "inadequate" level of savings if their income in their retirement is less than half the salary they enjoyed when they were working. It found that 69 per cent of those paying the 40p rate of tax are unlikely to have enough income when they retire. Basic rate taxpayers are also struggling to save enough for their retirement, with 62 per cent failing to put enough aside.
By contrast 39 per cent of additional rate taxpayers - those paying the highest level of tax - will have "inadequate" levels of savings while the figure for those paying no income tax is less than 10 per cent.
It warned that hitting higher rate taxpayers by withdrawing relief will increase pressure on the state when they retire. It said: "As shortfalls in pension income put pressure on future Governments to provide higher state benefits for the elderly, any policy changes which reduce pension incomes are unlikely to reduce overall Government spending over the long-term."
It is recommending that Mr Osborne should limit the highest level of tax relief on pension contributions to 33 per cent. Basic rate taxpayers would receive tax relief at their marginal rate, 20 per cent.
In other words, you can't retire.
'Daily Telegraph:'' Police forces 'refuse to name wanted suspects'
Many constabularies said naming those wanted for child abuse, rape, murder and kidnapping could cause the suspects “damage or distress”. Excuses not to publish details included citing of the Data Protection Act and human rights laws.
Many of the suspects are wanted for sex offences including crimes against children. And at least ten are being hunted for murder, five for attempted murder and ten for rape.
The refusals emerged from Freedom of Information requests submitted by the Daily Mail to Britain’s 45 police forces, asking for the number of suspects classed as “wanted”. The newspaper also requested the names, details and photos of the ten suspects who had been fugitives for the longest period in their force areas. But 12 forces refused to give names on the basis of privacy.
Leicestershire Police admitted it was hunting for a suspected rapist and murderer, but said identifying them would go against “principles of fairness”.
Other forces which refused under data protection were Cheshire, Cleveland, Cumbria, Derbyshire, Devon and Cornwall, Durham, Kent, Lincolnshire, Norfolk, North Wales, North Yorkshire, Northern Ireland, Suffolk, Warwickshire, West Mercia, West Midlands and West Yorkshire. Another 14 forces refused on the grounds it would cost too much.
Only two forces gave a full list of the ten suspects with pictures – Surrey and Northamptonshire. The refusals come amid growing questions over the FOI Act, which Whitehall wants to broaden by allowing more exemptions for policy discussion and charging for requests.
edited 13th Feb '16 6:32:54 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnWhat's with the needless hostility? That party was massively offensive. Edinburgh University is well known for demonstrations of extreme privilege among their extremely well off students. I in no way suggested that all university students are like that, and indeed am a graduate myself (albeit from the barely-a-university Glasgow Caledonian)
edited 13th Feb '16 6:45:10 AM by EruditeEsotericist
I've heard from one of my friends who works in a city centre bar that the sports teams here can get up to some stupid shit, but no-one's done anything that offensive. Given the amount of crap the recent Conservative stuff has gotten on campus, I don't think anyone is going to be running a "lol poor people" pub crawl any time soon.
edited 13th Feb '16 6:52:40 AM by Deadbeatloser22
"Yup. That tasted purple."To me, you appeared be to implying that all University students are and were like that, when obviously that isn't the case.
Considering I'm a Graduate too, of a small, nominally "plate glass" University that hasn't even started to pay off his student loan, you might be able to see why I took it that way.
Keep Rolling OnNo, I really can't see why you took it that way, there was absolutely no need to. I specifically said it was Edinburgh University students, and I was very obviously only referring to those students specifically (and even at that, only those who took part in the party) with my derogatory comments. As I said, I'm a university graduate myself, and I'm also not one to tar millions of people with a bad brush.
I'm a bit touchy about it. Call it lower-middle class angst.
The BBC's Daily Politics has launched a Manifesto Tracker — so far, it reveals that:
- No progress has been made on 10 pledges;
- Progress is being made on 111 pledges;
- And 40 have been delivered.
On another note:
The Daily Telegraph: Bernie Sanders' brother appointed Green Party health spokesman
His cabinet appointment was announced yesterday, just two days after his younger brother defeated Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.
Bernie Sanders credited his brother last year with providing much of his political education.
"We didn't have a whole lot of books in the house and it was my brother who actually introduced me to a lot of my ideas," he told the Telegraph moments after declaring for president. He said he loved his brother "a tremendous amount", and wished him well in UK politics.
edited 14th Feb '16 4:18:16 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnThere are some serious problems with the BBC's manifesto Tracker. Look at the very first one:
- Manifesto, page 28
Too early to assess. The Department for Work and Pensions annual estimate shows the proportion of children in relative poverty - almost one in six - is unchanged from 2011-12 to 2013-14. To be reassessed in May 2016
At no point in this assessment do they address the fact that the Government has completely redefined poverty, making proper comparisons to past poverty data unreliable, and changing the old definition of poverty into the definition of the new 'national living wage'.
Here's another example of problematic assessment:
- Manifesto, page 9
In the Summer Budget the date for the government to reach surplus was pushed back to 2019-20. The Charter for Budget Responsibility passed in October 2015, binding the government to eliminate the deficit by 2018-19 and reach a surplus by 2019-20. The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) currently forecasts a surplus of £10.1bn in 2019-20
The government - and the BBC in its assessment of the government - are ignoring the existence of two deficits. The reason they're ignoring it is because the deficit they like to concentrate on (the budget deficit) is one they can narrow swiftly in the short term by selling off UK assets.
The current account deficit, on the other hand, has been hitting record after record ever since 2010 - which is why the government is trying very hard to avoid talking about that one. So, they can certainly keep their promise to narrow the budget deficit, but whether or not that's actually meaningful for economic health (given that their method of doing it) is a question that doesn't seem to be being asked.
This one sums the problem up:
- Manifesto, page 54
Forests currently remain "in trust". "We're not making that mistake again," George Osborne said in his 2015 Autumn Statement
Apparently, the BBC is simply listing things that were stated in the Autumn Statement. The government actually is selling off public land. They're first classifying it as 'surplus' to sell it, and are pushing through the Infrastructure Bill which will allow the law to permit the sale of forestry land - but under a different name.
So, the BBC is actually quite wrong on this point: what the Autumn Statement states and what the government is doing are two different things. As long as the BBC focusses solely on the speech and not on the activities themselves, it's not assessing what the government is actually doing.
If the BBC isn't going to do meaningful research into the context of these policies, its Manifesto Tracker isn't going to be meaningful.
edited 15th Feb '16 2:43:57 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.In before others:
The Guardian: Missing doctor Rose Polge's family appeal for privacy as search goes on
The 25-year-old has not been seen since Friday. A car belonging to Polge, who works at Torbay hospital in Torquay, was discovered in a carpark near Anstey’s Cove, a shingle beach backed by thick woodland, at 6pm on the day she disappeared.
On Monday, police found a hooded top on the beach, which was taken away in an evidence bag as a helicopter, police divers and drones continued the extensive search, involving the coastguard, RNLI and Dartmoor search and rescue teams.
“As the search continues, we would appreciate some privacy from the press in our time of distress. This request extends to our family, friends and acquaintances who are being questioned by the media.
“When the time is appropriate we will make a further statement to the press and public.”
Police said they do not suspect foul play and refused to speculate on reports that friends of Polge, who qualified as a doctor last year, said she had been under stress at work.
Now, the part some of you may be interested in:
Polge is understood to work in trauma and orthopaedics, which deals with patients with life-threatening injuries.
She had recently posted supportive messages for the junior doctors’ strike action earlier this month, including a a profile picture featuring the hashtag #notfairnotsafe and a link to a petition asking the British Medical Association to support a strike for junior doctors based on Hunt’s proposed contract changes.
Other News:
- Rochdale child sex gang ringleader appeals against deportation
- Labour's economic policy will rest on two watchwords: democracy and decentralisation, John McDonnell says
- Meet the 'Corbynomics' fans who say Labour must be more radical than Greece's socialists ever were
Marxists, Leninists, socialists and other assorted “-ists” find themselves discussing how radical Labour now needs to be, and whether the party’s new leader, and John McDonnell, its shadow chancellor, might already have turned too soft for their liking.
Some fear McDonnell and Corbyn have already started to “shrink back” over their campaign pledges to deliver widespread nationalisation, from the railways to the postal system.
edited 17th Feb '16 12:01:31 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling Onso... anyone here thinking of voting to leave the EU?
advancing the front into TV TropesI'm constantly flip-flopping; I can't decide what's best for the UK.
Locking you up on radar since '09I'm voting for stay because it's still seeming like the Out camp can't put together an argument that doesn't blame all our problems on migrants and claiming that shutting the borders will magically fix all our economic problems.
"Yup. That tasted purple."I'm voting to stay, I'm a European, that's who I am, it would be like voting for England to leave Britain or Kent to leave England.
I can give cold logical economic reasons, I can give personal practical reasons, I can give ideas of what I'd like to se reformed (the VAT thing would be nice to change), but in the end it comes down to who I am and that's a European.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI feel we're too used to seeing ourselves as not part of Europe (then again a couple thousand years of almost non stop warfare with the continent will do that) but a separate entity, and we're thinking too small, so what if leaving is best for Britain, what is best for Europe as a whole? though I do feel out membership is a bit ironic, for centuries we supported the Status Quo of lots of small warring nation states, not wanting a unified Europe, and these days we're part of said unified Europe and one of the most influential members
advancing the front into TV TropesI will be voting to stay but then I have always believed that it should be the ultimate goal of humanity to create a single global nation as I see the very idea of independent nation states as idiotic.
a lot of people don't, they say New World Order like it's a bad thing
advancing the front into TV Tropes
The government is sneaking through plans that could scrap Attendance Allowance for elderly people who need home care packages.
The petition on the government website hasn't got very far, but that's probably because the 38 Degrees petition for the same thing has over 55,000 signatures, and not many people know it's happening. At least, I don't see much in the news about it. There are articles about it on care websites, however.
edited 9th Feb '16 5:37:07 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.