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    Original OP 
(I saw Allan mention the lack of one so I thought I'd make one.)

Recent political stuff:

  • The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
  • Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
  • The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.

A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#20701: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:35:53 PM

The government is sneaking through plans that could scrap Attendance Allowance for elderly people who need home care packages.

The petition on the government website hasn't got very far, but that's probably because the 38 Degrees petition for the same thing has over 55,000 signatures, and not many people know it's happening. At least, I don't see much in the news about it. There are articles about it on care websites, however.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:37:07 PM by Wyldchyld

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#20702: Feb 11th 2016 at 9:18:16 AM

Jeremy H(C)unt is seeking impose the new contract on Junior Doctors without any more negotiation http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/11/jeremy-hunt-to-impose-contract-on-junior-doctors?CMP=fb_gu

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#20704: Feb 11th 2016 at 10:47:08 AM

Closures of almost 20% of all courts and tribunals in England and Wales announced

Nearly a fifth of all courts and tribunals in England and Wales are to close, the government has announced. Eighty-six of 460 courts and tribunal hearing centres will shut as part of "modernisation" plans, HM Courts and Tribunal Service confirmed. The reforms aim to reduce the £500m annual cost of the courts estate.

Ministers said 48% of court buildings were empty at least half of the time last year, but the Law Society warns closures could limit access to justice. Crown courts, county courts, family courts, youth courts, civil courts and tribunal hearing centres are among the centres that will close.

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#20706: Feb 12th 2016 at 6:29:31 AM

Independent to cease printing and become online-only

Shame. Always liked the Indy.

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#20707: Feb 12th 2016 at 8:15:24 AM

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Despite acknowledging that the majority of borrowers do repay on time, Mr Johnson said the Government will take “stronger action” to track down borrowers who avoid repaying, including those overseas. He said: “We will act to recover loan repayments where it is clear borrowers are seeking to avoid repayment, consider the use of sanctions against borrowers who breach loan repayment terms and, if necessary, prosecute.”

[up] Newspapers don't make money any more.

edited 12th Feb '16 8:16:01 AM by Greenmantle

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#20708: Feb 12th 2016 at 10:40:16 AM

[up][up]Makes sense. The online news sites have a much wider reach than the newspapers ever did, and certainly more reach than newspapers do in this day and age.

Ignoring certain tabloids, of course - but even they are in a downwards spiral regarding their circulation now compared to in the past.

edited 12th Feb '16 10:41:09 AM by Wyldchyld

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EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#20709: Feb 13th 2016 at 5:55:21 AM

Lord Voldemort distances himself from Jeremy Cunt.

"We have done some awful things in our time, but Hunt's evil is far worse than we can comprehend, and he is not among my Death Eaters".

And Edinburgh University students have a fancy dress themed pubcrawl - the theme being "working class people".

Privileged tosspot wankers...

edited 13th Feb '16 6:06:08 AM by EruditeEsotericist

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#20710: Feb 13th 2016 at 6:30:59 AM

[up] Like everyone that's been to University?

Other (Actual) News:

Reuters: U.S. Defence Secretary says UK needs nuclear weapons for 'outsized' world role

Britain must renew its submarine-borne Trident nuclear weapons system if it is to maintain its "outsized" role in world affairs, U.S. Defence Secretary Ash Carter said in comments published on Saturday.

A decision on replacing the ageing fleet of four submarines which carry nuclear warheads is due to be made this year and while Prime Minister David Cameron is committed to renewal, the issue has caused deep divisions in the opposition Labour Party.

The government has said replacing the submarines will cost 31 billion pounds while Reuters has puts the overall cost of renewing and maintaining a successor to Trident at more than 167 billion pounds over 32 years.

Carter said the submarine fleet helped the "special relationship" Britain enjoyed with the United States, the BBC said on its website.

The deterrent allowed Britain to "continue to play that outsized role on the global stage that it does because of its moral standing and its historical standing," he was quoted as saying.

"It's important that the military power matches that standing and so we're very supportive of it. We depend upon the United Kingdom, the United Kingdom depends on us, that's part of the special relationship."

While most lawmakers in Cameron's party support keeping nuclear weapons, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, a veteran left-wing and anti-war activist, supports unilateral disarmament and is holding a review of the party's policy.

That has led to deep divisions among its lawmakers and earlier this week Labour's home affairs spokesman Andy Burnham said it might be impossible for the party to agree a position.

The Independent: George Osborne to be handed control of Whitehall marketing budget

The Chancellor, George Osborne, is to be handed control over Whitehall’s multi-million pound and marketing-and-communications budget, sparking suspicion of a “land grab” that will help his leadership prospects.

Under plans being developed, Government departments will lose the freedom to run their own marketing campaigns. Instead they will put funds into a central pot controlled by the chancellor and prime minister. The Cabinet Office said the single campaigns budget would bring “greater value for the taxpayer” through “better prioritisation and an end to duplication”.

However, Whitehall observers highlighted the role of the Treasury in allocating the new fund, moving its remit into areas where it previously had no authority. A Cabinet Office presentation showing Mr Osborne alongside David Cameron at the top of a flowchart setting out responsibility for making decisions about the fund has fuelled claims of a power grab.

In other words, the Treasury now controls everything.

Daily Telegraph: Millions face 'retirement crisis' over pensions tax raid

Millions of middle-class workers will face a "retirement crisis" if George Osborne pushes ahead with a multi-billion pound raid on pensions, a new analysis has found. The Chancellor is considering plans to end more generous rebates for higher rate taxpayers on pension contributions and replace them with a flat rate of relief which could be as low as 20 per cent.

Why? It saves money, of course.

Tory MPs, however, are increasingly concerned that the move could hit their constituents and core supporters.

Sir Alan Duncan, a former minister, said: "What is really important for the future is that we have stability, no retrospective adjustments and a system that encourages people to put a lot of money away for the future.

"You can't plan for a pension if you are halfway through doing it and someone pulls the rug from beneath you."

Hymans Robertson analysed its database of more than half a million savers and estimated how much money they will have in their retirement.

Under official measures, the majority of higher rate taxpayers are considered to have an "inadequate" level of savings if their income in their retirement is less than half the salary they enjoyed when they were working. It found that 69 per cent of those paying the 40p rate of tax are unlikely to have enough income when they retire. Basic rate taxpayers are also struggling to save enough for their retirement, with 62 per cent failing to put enough aside.

By contrast 39 per cent of additional rate taxpayers - those paying the highest level of tax - will have "inadequate" levels of savings while the figure for those paying no income tax is less than 10 per cent.

It warned that hitting higher rate taxpayers by withdrawing relief will increase pressure on the state when they retire. It said: "As shortfalls in pension income put pressure on future Governments to provide higher state benefits for the elderly, any policy changes which reduce pension incomes are unlikely to reduce overall Government spending over the long-term."

It is recommending that Mr Osborne should limit the highest level of tax relief on pension contributions to 33 per cent. Basic rate taxpayers would receive tax relief at their marginal rate, 20 per cent.

In other words, you can't retire.

'Daily Telegraph:'' Police forces 'refuse to name wanted suspects'

Almost 50 per cent of police forces in the UK are refusing to release the identities of dangerous fugitives including ten suspected killers – to protect their “human right” to privacy.

Many constabularies said naming those wanted for child abuse, rape, murder and kidnapping could cause the suspects “damage or distress”. Excuses not to publish details included citing of the Data Protection Act and human rights laws.

Many of the suspects are wanted for sex offences including crimes against children. And at least ten are being hunted for murder, five for attempted murder and ten for rape.

The refusals emerged from Freedom of Information requests submitted by the Daily Mail to Britain’s 45 police forces, asking for the number of suspects classed as “wanted”. The newspaper also requested the names, details and photos of the ten suspects who had been fugitives for the longest period in their force areas. But 12 forces refused to give names on the basis of privacy.

In response to the Mail’s request, Humberside Police said the names are “sensitive personal data” it does not consider to be in the public interest. It added that releasing such details “would not only breach the data subject’s Data Protection rights it may also breach the obligations placed on an authority under the European Convention of Human Rights.”

Leicestershire Police admitted it was hunting for a suspected rapist and murderer, but said identifying them would go against “principles of fairness”.

Other forces which refused under data protection were Cheshire, Cleveland, Cumbria, Derbyshire, Devon and Cornwall, Durham, Kent, Lincolnshire, Norfolk, North Wales, North Yorkshire, Northern Ireland, Suffolk, Warwickshire, West Mercia, West Midlands and West Yorkshire. Another 14 forces refused on the grounds it would cost too much.

Only two forces gave a full list of the ten suspects with pictures – Surrey and Northamptonshire. The refusals come amid growing questions over the FOI Act, which Whitehall wants to broaden by allowing more exemptions for policy discussion and charging for requests.

edited 13th Feb '16 6:32:54 AM by Greenmantle

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EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#20711: Feb 13th 2016 at 6:43:21 AM

Like everyone that's been to University?

What's with the needless hostility? That party was massively offensive. Edinburgh University is well known for demonstrations of extreme privilege among their extremely well off students. I in no way suggested that all university students are like that, and indeed am a graduate myself (albeit from the barely-a-university Glasgow Caledonian)

edited 13th Feb '16 6:45:10 AM by EruditeEsotericist

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#20712: Feb 13th 2016 at 6:51:29 AM

I've heard from one of my friends who works in a city centre bar that the sports teams here can get up to some stupid shit, but no-one's done anything that offensive. Given the amount of crap the recent Conservative stuff has gotten on campus, I don't think anyone is going to be running a "lol poor people" pub crawl any time soon.

edited 13th Feb '16 6:52:40 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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#20713: Feb 13th 2016 at 7:07:01 AM

[up][up] To me, you appeared be to implying that all University students are and were like that, when obviously that isn't the case.

Considering I'm a Graduate too, of a small, nominally "plate glass" University that hasn't even started to pay off his student loan, you might be able to see why I took it that way.

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EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#20714: Feb 13th 2016 at 7:11:32 AM

[up] No, I really can't see why you took it that way, there was absolutely no need to. I specifically said it was Edinburgh University students, and I was very obviously only referring to those students specifically (and even at that, only those who took part in the party) with my derogatory comments. As I said, I'm a university graduate myself, and I'm also not one to tar millions of people with a bad brush.

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#20715: Feb 14th 2016 at 3:22:19 AM

[up] I'm a bit touchy about it. Call it lower-middle class angst.

The BBC's Daily Politics has launched a Manifesto Tracker — so far, it reveals that:

  • No progress has been made on 10 pledges;
  • Progress is being made on 111 pledges;
  • And 40 have been delivered.

On another note:

The Daily Telegraph: Bernie Sanders' brother appointed Green Party health spokesman

The UK-based brother of presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has been appointed as the Green Party's new health spokesman. Larry Sanders, 81, was the party's candidate in Oxford West and Abingdon in last year's general election, finishing fifth in that race.

His cabinet appointment was announced yesterday, just two days after his younger brother defeated Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.

Bernie Sanders credited his brother last year with providing much of his political education.

"We didn't have a whole lot of books in the house and it was my brother who actually introduced me to a lot of my ideas," he told the Telegraph moments after declaring for president. He said he loved his brother "a tremendous amount", and wished him well in UK politics.

edited 14th Feb '16 4:18:16 AM by Greenmantle

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#20716: Feb 15th 2016 at 2:15:07 PM

There are some serious problems with the BBC's manifesto Tracker. Look at the very first one:

Work to eliminate child poverty and introduce better measures to drive real change in children's lives.

- Manifesto, page 28

Too early to assess. The Department for Work and Pensions annual estimate shows the proportion of children in relative poverty - almost one in six - is unchanged from 2011-12 to 2013-14. To be reassessed in May 2016

At no point in this assessment do they address the fact that the Government has completely redefined poverty, making proper comparisons to past poverty data unreliable, and changing the old definition of poverty into the definition of the new 'national living wage'.

Here's another example of problematic assessment:

Eliminate the deficit entirely and start running a surplus in 2018-19

- Manifesto, page 9

In the Summer Budget the date for the government to reach surplus was pushed back to 2019-20. The Charter for Budget Responsibility passed in October 2015, binding the government to eliminate the deficit by 2018-19 and reach a surplus by 2019-20. The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) currently forecasts a surplus of £10.1bn in 2019-20

The government - and the BBC in its assessment of the government - are ignoring the existence of two deficits. The reason they're ignoring it is because the deficit they like to concentrate on (the budget deficit) is one they can narrow swiftly in the short term by selling off UK assets.

The current account deficit, on the other hand, has been hitting record after record ever since 2010 - which is why the government is trying very hard to avoid talking about that one. So, they can certainly keep their promise to narrow the budget deficit, but whether or not that's actually meaningful for economic health (given that their method of doing it) is a question that doesn't seem to be being asked.

This one sums the problem up:

Ensure that our public forests and woodland are kept in trust for the nation

- Manifesto, page 54

Forests currently remain "in trust". "We're not making that mistake again," George Osborne said in his 2015 Autumn Statement

Apparently, the BBC is simply listing things that were stated in the Autumn Statement. The government actually is selling off public land. They're first classifying it as 'surplus' to sell it, and are pushing through the Infrastructure Bill which will allow the law to permit the sale of forestry land - but under a different name.

So, the BBC is actually quite wrong on this point: what the Autumn Statement states and what the government is doing are two different things. As long as the BBC focusses solely on the speech and not on the activities themselves, it's not assessing what the government is actually doing.

If the BBC isn't going to do meaningful research into the context of these policies, its Manifesto Tracker isn't going to be meaningful.

edited 15th Feb '16 2:43:57 PM by Wyldchyld

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#20718: Feb 16th 2016 at 11:59:10 PM

In before others:

The Guardian: Missing doctor Rose Polge's family appeal for privacy as search goes on

The family of missing junior doctor Rose Polge have said they are overwhelmed by the help from friends and family searching the Devon coast but appealed for privacy at a distressing time.

The 25-year-old has not been seen since Friday. A car belonging to Polge, who works at Torbay hospital in Torquay, was discovered in a carpark near Anstey’s Cove, a shingle beach backed by thick woodland, at 6pm on the day she disappeared.

On Monday, police found a hooded top on the beach, which was taken away in an evidence bag as a helicopter, police divers and drones continued the extensive search, involving the coastguard, RNLI and Dartmoor search and rescue teams.

In a statement released on Tuesday by police, Polge’s family said: “We are overwhelmed by the support from her friends and colleagues, dozens of whom have been combing the Devon coast in search of Rose.

“As the search continues, we would appreciate some privacy from the press in our time of distress. This request extends to our family, friends and acquaintances who are being questioned by the media.

“When the time is appropriate we will make a further statement to the press and public.”

Police said they do not suspect foul play and refused to speculate on reports that friends of Polge, who qualified as a doctor last year, said she had been under stress at work.

Now, the part some of you may be interested in:

The BBC reported that it “understands that a note was found in Dr Polge’s car”. It said it is believed the contents “were mainly related to personal issues, but there was a passing reference to health secretary Jeremy Hunt”. There was no official verification of this and police would not comment.

Polge is understood to work in trauma and orthopaedics, which deals with patients with life-threatening injuries.

She had recently posted supportive messages for the junior doctors’ strike action earlier this month, including a a profile picture featuring the hashtag #notfairnotsafe and a link to a petition asking the British Medical Association to support a strike for junior doctors based on Hunt’s proposed contract changes.

Other News:

Encouraged by the success of Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, hundreds turned up for a series of seminars, aiming to equip themselves with the ideas needed to mobilise like-minded folk, and to fight back against what they perceive as faulty economic thinking. They are apparently fascinated by “Corbynomics”.

Marxists, Leninists, socialists and other assorted “-ists” find themselves discussing how radical Labour now needs to be, and whether the party’s new leader, and John McDonnell, its shadow chancellor, might already have turned too soft for their liking.

Some fear McDonnell and Corbyn have already started to “shrink back” over their campaign pledges to deliver widespread nationalisation, from the railways to the postal system.

edited 17th Feb '16 12:01:31 AM by Greenmantle

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#20719: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:45:28 AM

so... anyone here thinking of voting to leave the EU?

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#20720: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:46:47 AM

I'm constantly flip-flopping; I can't decide what's best for the UK.

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#20721: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:49:46 AM

I'm voting for stay because it's still seeming like the Out camp can't put together an argument that doesn't blame all our problems on migrants and claiming that shutting the borders will magically fix all our economic problems.

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#20722: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:00:36 AM

I'm voting to stay, I'm a European, that's who I am, it would be like voting for England to leave Britain or Kent to leave England.

I can give cold logical economic reasons, I can give personal practical reasons, I can give ideas of what I'd like to se reformed (the VAT thing would be nice to change), but in the end it comes down to who I am and that's a European.

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#20723: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:32:20 AM

I feel we're too used to seeing ourselves as not part of Europe (then again a couple thousand years of almost non stop warfare with the continent will do that) but a separate entity, and we're thinking too small, so what if leaving is best for Britain, what is best for Europe as a whole? though I do feel out membership is a bit ironic, for centuries we supported the Status Quo of lots of small warring nation states, not wanting a unified Europe, and these days we're part of said unified Europe and one of the most influential members

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#20724: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:41:29 AM

I will be voting to stay but then I have always believed that it should be the ultimate goal of humanity to create a single global nation as I see the very idea of independent nation states as idiotic.

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#20725: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:04:28 AM

a lot of people don't, they say New World Order like it's a bad thing

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