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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
That's pretty much all 'reality' TV every anyway though.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranA Blast from The Past: Who, What, Why: What was Militant?
The battle between the Labour Party and its Militant faction was one of the biggest political controversies in British politics in the 1980s. The Militant grouping had grown out of the Revolutionary Socialist League and was widely categorised as Trotskyist. From the mid-1970s its critics claimed it pursued an "entryist" policy of attempting to gain key positions within the Labour Party in an effort to promote its policies - including widespread nationalisation and a large programme of public works.
Its most notable success was in Liverpool where the local Labour Party - dominated by Militant members - took control of the city council in 1983. Despite being only deputy leader, former firefighter Derek Hatton was seen as effectively in charge.
"The best way to think of Militant is to think of Marxist-inspired socialists within the Labour Party," says Dr Peter North, author of Militant Liverpool: A City on the Edge. Liverpool was particularly receptive to Militant's ideas because it had found itself "on the wrong side of all the changes in global trade", says North. A move to "containerisation" - increased use of shipping containers - was taking traffic away from the port. That and a partly associated decline in heavy industry were exacerbating unemployment and deprivation in the city.
Militant started vehement opposition to the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher, attempting to resist a reduction in the city's grant from central government by setting an illegal budget that allowed for more spending than there was income.
"They were in breach of Labour Party policies," says Peter Kilfoyle, a noted opponent of Militant who was a regional organiser for the Labour Party in the 1980s. "They sought to go illegally against the government of the day when Labour Party policy was not to. They were a party within a party. Their sole intention was to eat away at the Labour Party from the inside - taking away members and funding. They did it successfully."
Supporters of Militant point to the wave of building it initiated in Liverpool, replacing slum housing and improving sports and other leisure facilities. But the council did not have enough money to pay for its programme, and action by the district auditor was averted only by taking out loans. A move to apparently issue redundancy notices to every single council employee - ostensibly as a negotiating tactic - was widely criticised.
Labour leader Neil Kinnock used a conference speech to attack Militant for "the grotesque chaos of a Labour council hiring taxis to scuttle round a city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers".
In June 1986 Hatton was expelled from the Labour Party after a disciplinary hearing. A number of other politicians and activists were also thrown out.
"The decision was made to get rid of them," says Kilfoyle. "They were in breach of the rules of the Labour Party."
But North argues that Militant were harshly treated. "My view is that political parties that have a variety of attitudes within them are more democratic and healthy."
The BBC article makes me blink at the idea that £15,000 is the 'living wage' outside London. I live outside London. I've been on 15k in the past. It wasn't a living wage before the crash. It's barely a dying wage now. I know it's calculated from the minimum wage, but the minimum wage is barely manageable.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Labour expels a member for apparently supporting SNP on social media
On the one hand, I can understand not wanting people to be in a party if they're not really loyal to it. It's the reason why I've not joined the SNP or Greens, because I might want or need to vote for the other despite supporting both. It's also in the rules, and agreeing to them is a condition of party membership.
On the other hand, it's certainly a very alienating policy to have, and good evidence of exactly the sort of thing that turns the public away from politics. It's very heavy handed, especially for an ordinary grunt party member (who may not actually be actively involved in activism).
So I can see both sides, but it doesn't look good for Labour right now to take such action.
£15,000 is still a step-up from some jobs...
Keep Rolling OnI know. My first salary (despite all my degrees and the fact I was in a so-called Professional Occupation that used my degrees) was a shitty £12k - just barely the minimum wage of the day and completely unlivable. So much for the myth of graduates going straight into £30k+ jobs.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Incoming Guardianista articles!
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/30/hotel-workers-bullied-underpaid-few-rights-uk
I (quite rightly) caught some flak for saying the Unions need to modernise. This article proves I was wrong to say that because the Unions are modernising since they are trying to mobilise the service sector. The next step therefore is that I would like to see Labour take this campaign into the public realm.
This is just a puff piece. We know London's housing market is quite frankly a twisted exploitative mess, beholden to foreign buyers looking for an investment not a home.
What stunned me was the use of the word "indigenous". While technically correct to use that word to describe the current residents of Tower Hamlets as opposed to the prospective buyers of the new luxury properties, the context and the history of the word "indigenous" suggests a different story.
Is the Guardian swinging to the right?
Wight & Blue: Isle of Wight's lack of Blue Flags criticised
The Isle of Wight Visitors Association insisted the status was important in marketing the island. Earlier this year the council announced "changes to the maintenance and management regimes" as part of its budget review meant the beaches would no longer meet the Blue Flag criteria. These included facilities such as marker buoys and emergency phones which the council previously provided. It said parish and town councils could deliver such services and apply for Blue Flag status in future.
Martin Simpson of Isle of Wight Visitors Association, representing tourism businesses on the island, said the decision was "short-sighted and scandalous". "Beaches are what the Isle of Wight is known for - it's one of our US Ps and something we should be marketing, not cutting back on."
edited 31st May '15 4:04:46 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnWere they ever left-wing?
Direct all enquiries to Jamie B GoodThe Guardian itself did not use the work indigenous. It was a quote from an estate agent marketing a luxury property. This is the full quote, from Mike Bickerton, head of new homes at DTZ.
People like the edgy feel of east London, the “real London” feel: rich people living cheek by jowl with poor people. Parts of west London feel so safe and mundane.
Most overseas investors are looking for a good yield for renting, or buying apartments for their children. We have wealthy Chinese or Asian families who will put one of their kids in an apartment this size.
In this context, to me the word indigenous has an almost colonial tone to it, classing the working class residents of Tower Hamlets with Native Americans, Aborigines etc, hence my shock. I don't think the word indigenous was used as an anti-immigration message for example.
I think the Guardian would call itself left wing. They did after all plump for Labour in the election. If there is a criticism, they do tend towards champagne socialism, which tends to mean a lot of high minded ideas.
There is of course a greater discussion about what it means to be left wing in this country at the present time: if you consider Labour to be Tories wearing red ties then by definition the Guardian choosing Labour makes them right wing.
edited 31st May '15 4:17:38 PM by singularityshot
If someone believes that, then for them the only real left-wing newspaper left might be the Morning Star.
Meanwhile: David Cameron in split with Theresa May and Michael Gove over human rights
The Conservatives last year threatened to pull out of the convention to help free Britain from the edicts of Strasbourg judges, which have seen serious criminals use the human rights laws to avoid deportation.
However, Mr Cameron has now dropped the plans in preference for a "halfway house" which will see Britain remain a signatory to the convention but scrap the human rights act, which incorporates the convention into British law.
The difference of opinion between Mr Cameron and two of his most senior cabinet ministers highlights the extent of the tensions within the Conservative Party over the issue. It comes after the Mr Cameron delayed plans to scrap the Human Rights Act and replace it with a British Bill of Rights for at least a year in the Queen's speech, following criticism from senior Tories.
The Government will instead announce a consultation, which is unlikely to begin until September. There are concerns that a rebellion by Tory backbenchers could lead to a government defeat in the Commons.
US defence secretary warns against UK armed forces cuts
The UK government has not committed to meeting Nato's target of spending 2% of GDP on defence beyond 2016. It says budgets will be determined in the next spending review. Few countries have met the Nato target so at a summit last September, the commitment was watered down, with the less ambitious goal that those countries that were not meeting the target should "halt any decline in defence expenditure" .
However, Mr Carter said all Nato countries "should stick to the pledge they all made" of meeting, or working towards, the 2% target. "Britain has always had an independent ability to express itself and basically punch above its weight," he said. "I'd hate to see that go away because I think it's a great loss to the world when a country of that much history and standing...takes actions which seem to indicate disengagement. We need an engaged United Kingdom."
edited 31st May '15 11:46:21 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnCharles Kennedy has just died, aged 55.
edited 1st Jun '15 10:10:58 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnAw no I always liked him.
Schild und Schwert der ParteiI'm going to miss his laser-guided sarcasm.
And Fishman wastes no time in being self-serving about it.
"Yup. That tasted purple."Dude, if your name sounds like it swims, don't say stuff that comes across as you being Mr Cold Fish. The jokes write themselves.
I feel for his PR team. <_<
Fishman (I love that nickname)'s such an utter cod.
edited 2nd Jun '15 9:51:26 AM by Bisected8
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerSalmon(d) isn't the only one in the SNP...
Keep Rolling OnI liked Nicola Sturgeon's anecdote about them seeing Trainspotting in Australia together.
But yeah, we lost one of the good ones today.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.In better news Step Ladder's stepped down.
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faer...Did Hell just suffer a thermostat issue? <blinks> Give me 30 mins for that to sink in before I grab a single malt...
I had to carefully check the webpage wasn't a fake, myself.
...that said, according to Dante's Inferno, the 9th circle of Hell is perpetually frozen.
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerI heard that he is going but after he has set up the process to chose his successor next year.
It's going to take months. And, I'm not sure any attempted kingmaking will survive the probes. <crosses fingers>
Next stop, UEFA? (Please, please, please, please.) Platini has skeletons, too.
edited 2nd Jun '15 1:27:55 PM by Euodiachloris
The catch is the game-show model and the relatively paltry cash prize at the end. That doesn't speak to a sober investigation of life for Britain's poorest so much as 'scrabble for the crumbs we throw you, peasants'.
What's precedent ever done for us?