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    Original OP 
(I saw Allan mention the lack of one so I thought I'd make one.)

Recent political stuff:

  • The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
  • Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
  • The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.

A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM

CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#3476: Mar 10th 2012 at 10:52:02 AM

Alex Salmond has made his speech today at the SNP's spring conference. A friend of mine was actually taking photographs for them, as he works for the SNP in Edinburgh. Anyone reading this who lives in Leith (Edinburgh) should vote for Seumas Skinner as councillor in May, terrific guy who really knows his stuff and would do his constituents proud. A young, passionate, enthusiastic guy of the sort we need more of in politics.

This is the BBC's article on the report; as I thought, my own comment was rather controversial, given I included the words "Litle Englanders" and accused said of xenophobia towards the EU, claiming that they're holding us back from closer EU relations. I exaggerated my view a bit, but still.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-17305347

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Minister Do Not Go Gentle Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Do Not Go Gentle
#3477: Mar 10th 2012 at 12:15:52 PM

I don't like the idea of Scottish Independence primarily because I think the current situation is generally beneficial for the UK as a whole, but if you chaps want to go your separate ways, I'm fine with it, and I'll wave you off with a tear in my eye. The Union of England and Scotland was signed more out of economic necessity than anything else, and a split for primarily ethical reasons seems like a fitting end to a great (if occasionally abusive) partnership.

I just...I just can't stand Alexander Salmond. My Government and Politics teacher met him for ten or so minutes, and described him as 'the slimiest man he'd ever met' and this is a man who voted in favour of devolution. Ever speech he gives seems to be at least slightly antagonistic. I mean, I hate David Cameron too, but I always feel like he portrays England as Tory from top to bottom. Might just be me there, though.

It's your God, they're your rules, you go to hell." - Mark Twain
CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#3478: Mar 10th 2012 at 12:29:50 PM

Funny, that's how I'd describe Tommy Sheridan actually. Repulsive creature, and the biggest liability the Scottish left wing has known in a long time.

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#3479: Mar 10th 2012 at 2:01:21 PM

Honestly, I can't help but like Salmond. I know he's basically like a salesman and it's his job to make you like him no matter what but, well, he's good at it. Maybe because the only alternatives are small town council idiots who don't really know what they're doing or Tories who really couldn't give a shit about any of us he just looks better by comparison. But it makes a nice difference having someone positive at the helm who seems to know what he's doing and since the only consistent argument against him seems to be "I don't like the way he looks" I guess he's doing something right.

It's becoming something akin to Gibson's Law*

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#3480: Mar 11th 2012 at 12:31:14 AM

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...or Tories who really couldn't give a shit about any of us...

Well, there aren't any in Scotland.

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
Decemberist
#3481: Mar 11th 2012 at 3:59:00 AM

The Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales is intensifying its campaign against the government's plan to legalise same-sex marriage.

In a letter being read in 2,500 parish churches, the Church's two most senior archbishops say the change would reduce the significance of marriage.

The letter says Roman Catholics have a duty to make sure it does not happen.

The government wants to introduce gay marriage by 2015, but says churches would not have to perform weddings.

Last week Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, said the "grotesque" plans would "shame the United Kingdom in the eyes of the world" if implemented.

And on Friday, in a speech to visiting US bishops, Pope Benedict XVI warned of "powerful political and cultural currents seeking to alter the legal definition of marriage", in the wake of the US states of Washington and Maryland legalising same-sex marriage.

Civil partnerships were introduced in 2005 to give same-sex couples the same legal rights as married couples, but the law does not allow such unions to be referred to as marriages.

The letter by Archbishop Vincent Nichols, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, and Archbishop Peter Smith - the Archbishop of Southwark - tells Catholics that changing the nature of marriage would be a "profoundly radical step" that would reduce its effectiveness and significance.

In one passage the archbishops write: "There are many reasons why people get married. For most couples, there is an instinctive understanding that the stability of a marriage provides the best context for the flourishing of their relationship and for bringing up their children.

"Society recognises marriage as an important institution for these same reasons: to enhance stability in society and to respect and support parents in the crucial task of having children and bringing them up as well as possible."

They also add that changing the law would "gradually and inevitably transform society's understanding of the purpose of marriage.

"There would be no recognition of the complementarity of male and female or that marriage is intended for the procreation and education of children."

The letter ends by telling Catholics they have a "duty to do all we can to ensure that the true meaning of marriage is not lost for future generations".

BBC religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott says Archbishop Nichols - the Archbishop of Westminster - has a record of mobilising the faithful.

To many Christians, while a civil partnership confers all the legal rights of marriage, a church wedding is a mystical event, the making of promises before God in a sacred setting, endowing the relationship with a special "blessed" quality, our correspondent says.

He adds that the letter is couched in "measured language" but it is intended to rally Catholics against the changes.

The leader of the Church of England, Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, has said the law should not be used as a tool to bring about such social changes such as gay marriage, and may turn out to be ahead of majority opinion.

And the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, opposes gay marriage but supports civil partnerships, which he says have addressed the injustices faced by same-sex couples.

"There's a difference - and people don't these days want to talk about difference - there's a difference between a civil partnership and marriage, and that difference doesn't mean one is better than another, but they're different."

Ben Summerskill, from the lesbian and gay charity Stonewall, said most people who heard the letter would ignore its contents.

"It's a shame Catholic church leaders are so deeply opposed to a 21st-century balance of rights that they're not reading out letters about serious issues such as the Aids crisis in Africa or the 2.5 million children who live in poverty in this country.

"We're sure most churchgoers will be as opposed to their leaders on this issue as they are on birth control," he said.

Mark Dowd, from the group Quest, which represents lesbian and gay Catholics, said the archbishops were out of touch as other countries had begun to make changes.

"Probably the Archbishop resembles King Canute standing on the shores with the waves coming in. It's really a question of the tide of history turning and there's very little that can be done about it."

Equalities Minister Lynne Featherstone will launch a consultation later this month on how to make civil marriage available to same-sex couples. She has said she wants to challenge the view that the government does not have the right to change marriage traditions.

The Catholic journal The Tablet reports that the question of whether gay marriage should be allowed at all will be included in the consultation.

The Scottish government has held a consultation process north of the border and received more than 50,000 responses.

Gay Marriage, just as divisive in the UK as the Suffrage movement?

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#3482: Mar 11th 2012 at 4:23:17 AM

The irony being that they are almost exclusivley a bunch of creepy old celibates who have never had a loving sexual relationship with anyone in their entire lives. They are the absolute last people on the face of the Earth you go to for advice on any matter related to romantic or physical intimacy. This is the same group of people who thought up the idea of pulling out at climax. Only a celibate wouldn't see the problem with that.

They seem to have it backwards and think that people fall in love because they want to get married and have children, not that they want to get married and have children because they're already in love.

We're not dealing with idiots here - clergymen are highly educated people. So how can they have this so ass-backwards? Is it intentional? Or are they so deep in their own little bubble that they've become like Vulcans who don't get that there's more to it than making a vagina start spitting out babies? I find this complete lack of understanding of actual human emotions to be exceedingly fucking weird and creepy.

edited 11th Mar '12 4:26:38 AM by TheBatPencil

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
Decemberist
#3483: Mar 11th 2012 at 4:30:19 AM

Money my friend money.

Christianity in general has seen surges in popularity in the more conservative parts of the world and they don't want to risk all that money and power. Thats they reason why Rowan Williams and the Pope have come out recently as against Gay Marriage.

Dutch Lesbian
cityofmist turning and turning from Meanwhile City Since: Dec, 2010
turning and turning
#3484: Mar 11th 2012 at 6:18:11 AM

a bunch of creepy old celibates

Meaningless insults don't help your case at all.

Edit: Being a priest also doesn't require you to have 'never had a loving sexual relationship with anyone'. It's perfectly acceptable for a widower to become a priest.

edited 11th Mar '12 8:39:36 AM by cityofmist

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#3485: Mar 11th 2012 at 6:46:18 AM

Well, then they're a bunch of old celibates. The rest of the post still holds.

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Minister Do Not Go Gentle Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Do Not Go Gentle
#3486: Mar 11th 2012 at 8:05:40 AM

I've always respected genuine celibates . I mean, it's like giving up urination, in a way - a biological imperative. Albeit one that won't make your bladder explode inside your torso.

It's your God, they're your rules, you go to hell." - Mark Twain
Octo Prince of Dorne from Germany Since: Mar, 2011
Prince of Dorne
#3487: Mar 11th 2012 at 9:28:50 AM

[up]And that in itself is to be respected... why, exactly? What good does it do?

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cityofmist turning and turning from Meanwhile City Since: Dec, 2010
turning and turning
#3488: Mar 11th 2012 at 9:44:45 AM

It shows willpower and self-control, as well as a readiness to sacrifice personal pleasure and enjoyment for a higher moral cause.

Scepticism and doubt lead to study and investigation, and investigation is the beginning of wisdom. - Clarence Darrow
Octo Prince of Dorne from Germany Since: Mar, 2011
Prince of Dorne
#3489: Mar 11th 2012 at 10:07:49 AM

Except there is no higher moral cause in this. Willpower and self control are just tools, as far as I'm concerned. They themselves should not command respect, only what you use them for. Mind, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, either. It's each person's own business. But it's nothing to be automatically respected, either.

edited 11th Mar '12 10:08:31 AM by Octo

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#3490: Mar 11th 2012 at 10:23:36 AM

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Stop this derail about celibacy. Any further posts about that will be thumped.

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Do Not Go Gentle
#3491: Mar 11th 2012 at 10:28:37 AM

Just for anyone who hasn't been checking the BBC News site,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17330939

Seems the Liberal Democrats are revolting about the semi-privatisation of the NHS and are being ignored, and the Conservatives are revolting about allowing Gay Marriage and very well might be listened too.

Each party in a nutshell there, I think.

It's your God, they're your rules, you go to hell." - Mark Twain
pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Sneering Imperialist
#3492: Mar 11th 2012 at 1:25:41 PM

The answer is a resounding "no"

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Woodhouse radical queer warrior from disgusting pig england Since: Mar, 2012
radical queer warrior
#3493: Mar 11th 2012 at 3:14:01 PM

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You mean it's almost as if the media is in cahoots with the Tories???

What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted?
PiccoloNo92 Since: Apr, 2010
#3494: Mar 11th 2012 at 3:24:39 PM

Think this is worth a look for all those who love equality:

http://www.c4em.org.uk/latest-news/

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#3495: Mar 11th 2012 at 3:43:48 PM

You mean it's almost as if the media is in cahoots with the Tories???

That's a foolish assumption, my good man!

whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
Decemberist
#3496: Mar 11th 2012 at 3:47:40 PM

Human rights lawyers are to sue Foreign Secretary William Hague over the alleged use of intelligence in assisting US drone attacks in Pakistan.

Human rights lawyers are to sue Foreign Secretary William Hague over the alleged use of intelligence in assisting US drone attacks in Pakistan.

The case is being raised at the High Court in London on behalf of Noor Khan, whose father was killed in a US strike.

Lawyers from Leigh Day and Co say civilian intelligence officers who give information to the US may be liable as "secondary parties to murder".The Foreign Office said it did not comment on ongoing legal proceedings.

The lawyers, which include some from the international charity Reprieve, want to establish what official UK policy or guidance is with regard to assisting the US in such cases.

Leigh Day and Co says Mr Khan's father Malik Daud was part of a council of elders holding a meeting in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan, when a drone missile hit the group.

The firm said it had "credible, unchallenged" evidence Mr Hague oversaw a policy of passing British intelligence to US forces planning attacks against militants.

It will also point out that Pakistan is not involved in an international conflict.

Malik Daud is believed to be among 40 killed in the strike in North Waziristan, but the figures cannot be independently verified as reporters are prevented by the authorities from travelling to the region.

The area is known as a sanctuary in Pakistan for the Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked militants.

Attacks by pilotless US aircraft have become a key weapon in the US's fight against terrorism in Pakistan.

But many Pakistanis see them as a breach of their sovereignty and the cause of frequent civilian deaths.

Dutch Lesbian
Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#3497: Mar 11th 2012 at 4:01:42 PM

I thought we couldn't sue ministers.

Woodhouse radical queer warrior from disgusting pig england Since: Mar, 2012
radical queer warrior
#3498: Mar 12th 2012 at 11:55:04 AM

That's a foolish assumption, my good man!

Not really, since the government and the BBC are tight.

What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted?
CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#3499: Mar 13th 2012 at 11:56:46 AM

Ding dong, the witch is in prison!

Rebekah Brooks has been arrested! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17349578

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TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#3500: Mar 13th 2012 at 12:51:01 PM

Home Secretary approves Richard O'Dwyer's extradition to the USA

A ridiculous abuse of this treaty by the United States. Even more ridiculous that the government seems to think it's ok for someone to spend a potential five years locked up with God-only-knows what kind of lunatics in a foreign country that this person has never set foot in before.

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