Trump strikes me as a pawn for both sides. The dems can go "Look! The GOP is crazy!" and the republicans have the time to soul search and find a real candidate. It works out for everyone, except the American people but since when do politicians care about them?
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I think it's a conept that's somewhat outmodded. How can we honestly expect to have education reach the level we want it to be when you can have different standards for everybody?
I thought the point of the civil war, especially if you ask southerners, was States Right's. I thought winning sort of indicated that the Federal government was superior to state governemnts.
Oh well.
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The reason state's rights are good is that they allow different viewpoints to coexist within the country. Since if you don't like Romneycare, you can move to another state.
@Fighteer: I wouldn't know, I was a little kid in the 90s. But I wouldn't like Obamacare any better if it was GO Pcare. I am one of the "poor" people this bill was supposed to help, and it actually messes up my healthcare considerably, as well as being an infringement on what I feel is my right to decide what care I need and pay only for that.
And yes, I think Trump is pretty strongly anti-entitlements.
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you feel it's your right, but it isn't. The government has the right to take taxes to pay for programs that benefits society.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?^ That's not what Obamacare is.
Obamacare is a law that says I have to buy a full insurance plan (one which includes many things such as dental care or psychiatric services for which I might prefer to forgo coverage and pay out-of-pocket in the rare event that I need them) from a private company, at the price they set, whether I want to or not. It's equivalent to declaring an approved food package and requiring everyone to buy it from their local stores no matter what they actually eat.
Socialized medicine would be an example of what you are describing, and my main objection to that would be that it provides poor results, not that it infringes on my rights.
edited 4th May '11 2:08:13 PM by EdwardsGrizzly
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—R.J.
NOT THE BEES
Medical tourists can come from anywhere in the First World, including Europe, the Middle East, Japan, the United States, and Canada. This is because of their large populations, comparatively high wealth, the high expense of health care or lack of health care options locally, and increasingly high expectations of their populations with respect to health care. An authority at the Harvard Business School recently stated that "medical tourism is promoted much more heavily in the United Kingdom than in the United States".[11] A forecast by Deloitte Consulting published in August 2008 projected that medical tourism originating in the US could jump by a factor of ten over the next decade. An estimated 750,000 Americans went abroad for health care in 2007, and the report estimated that a million and a half would seek health care outside the US in 2008. The growth in medical tourism has the potential to cost US health care providers billions of dollars in lost revenue.[12]
edited 4th May '11 2:59:44 PM by Pykrete
The few things that I do like about Obamacare is that I can no longer be refused insurance for a pre-existing condition, they're not allowed to drop me if I get sick, and I can stay on my parent's plan until I'm 25.
Well, I don't think that it's really much better down here, considering that I spent almost three months waiting for my first appointment with my primary care physician after getting insurance. And the insurance didn't cover all of it, and I owe them $90some that I don't have.
edited 4th May '11 3:02:19 PM by DrunkGirlfriend
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No. If you can't afford it the government subsidizes the price to something affordable, the exact same situation in Canada before we were fully socialized.
Works fine here, never had to pay to go the doctor's or a cent when my uncle had a stroke a month ago.
EDIT: things that aren't critical are on a long waiting list true, but it says it right in the name, not critical.
edited 4th May '11 3:02:51 PM by thatguythere47
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Stroke is also an urgent procedure. It's stuff like transplants and cancer scans that get delayed for ludicrous amounts of time, even though the patient is likely to die without those as well. They're still critical though.
DG: Note the increasing trend of this practice from America.
edited 4th May '11 3:06:43 PM by Pykrete
What if I can afford it but don't want it (my situation, despite being "poverty stricken" according to Big Brother?
You get to rob the insurance company that way because they get to rob me. If they "dropped you when you got sick" after promising to cover you, that would be breach-of-contract and would have been illegal before.
See the post you quoted, which, as my written word, is an adequate citation for the statement that I object to socialized medicine based on its quality.
edited 4th May '11 3:09:14 PM by EdwardsGrizzly
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Actually, it was depressingly common before there was a law against it. It was usually for stuff like cancer, AIDS, and other terminal-yet-long-lasting illnesses. There was a crapton of lawsuits that the insurance companies usually won because they have more money.
Not to mention you might die before your suit can be completed.
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Back to the topic on Trump: if this isn't a big joke, I still can't see the Republicans taking him seriously (due to his terrible financial skills). He will most likely be an independent.
Meanwhile, I'm thinking that there will be a split in the Republican Party between the moderates (who will probably pick Romney due to his appeal in the East and resemblance to Warren Beatty) and the Tea Party (who will probably go with a Palin/Rand Paul ticket or a Palin/Michelle Bachmann ticket). In the end, we may see three right-wing candidates.
More Buscemi at http://forum.reelsociety.com/ In that case we needed better contract law and lawsuit resolution, not Obamacare.
edited 4th May '11 3:20:40 PM by EdwardsGrizzly
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This Facebook group is making me rethink my former support of Trump.
Maybe, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Wayne Allyn Root, Jim Burns, Jim Deunsing, Roger Gary, R. J. Harris, R. Lee Wright, Mary Ruwart, Mike Gravel, etc. will receive my support instead? 2012 guide!
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Gunpla is amazing!
If in some bizarro twist of fate he does win I'm moving to Canada, and possibly even farther.
Pykrete, your reference doesn't prove what you'd like to think it does:
(1) Waiting periods for non-critical procedures isn't exclusive to socialized medical systems. I've got employer-provided medical coverage and I still have to jump through appointment hoops and weeks-long wait times just to see someone.
(2) As your own reference shows, medical travel from the United States to other countries is just as likely to occur. Heck, the sentence right after your last bolded area even says medical travel originating from the US is expected to increase tenfold over the next decade.
—R.J.
Reference nine leads to a search engine for papers on a conservative think tank's website. Also the sentence before that one is a non-sequitor. "Countries that operate public health-care systems are often so taxed that it can take considerable time to get non-urgent medical care." contains absolutely no causal link.
Medical tourists can come from anywhere in the First World, including Europe, the Middle East, Japan, the United States, and Canada.
Er, hang on a minute,the sentence after that should contain some comparison with other countries waiting times because it's pointless.
Yay,alinkI can get to. Now let's see what the "authority at Harvard Business School" said: " My observations are that medical tourism is promoted much more heavily in the United Kingdom than in the United States. Public interest in Britain is in the context of the National Health Service and its constraints. Initially the rules required that patients be treated only in the United Kingdom. I believe there has been a gradual relaxation in these rules, so that some care can be provided within some EU countries. I know that various Indian hospitals are continually attempting to get accredited to perform certain procedures.
What is striking is that in London medical tourism makes the front page of newspapers. People ranging from generals in the British Army to politicians to blue-collar workers are quoted, all saying, in effect, "I had a great time, and now I'm well." The most common treatments seem to be for cardiovascular issues, bone-related issues such as hip replacements, and general age-related issues. Most of these articles depict people going to India, but they almost never profile an Indian going to India. They profile a wide spectrum of citizens, not just British citizens of Indian or Asian origin.."
As I just skim through the page and focus on that section I see he is talking about people going to India (hey, I wonder if there is some kind of unique historical link between India and the UK) and the EU (hey, I wonder if there is some kind of unique political and free trade association in the EU that deals with medical coverage) and the idea of the NHS paying for it. Also,it has nothing to do with Canada.
This just indicates you didn't try hard enough to look for a more focused article that actually dealt directly with the claim you brought up and disparages your level of research into it.
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Not at all. Increasing trends in America can be related to our attempts to socialize it, thus exacerbating wait times. That's why I included it in the initial quote, though admittedly I could've given that explicit comment.
edited 4th May '11 5:20:20 PM by Pykrete
Again, if American-style health insurance is so great, how come no other first-world country wants it, as in this example?
—R.J.
NOT THE BEES
Perhaps because most people in first-world countries don't have critical but non-urgent need of an operation that would get delayed — and those who do rarely have it all at once to have a unified voice in the matter. It works quite well when all people need is a checkup that can happen whenever.
edited 4th May '11 6:11:25 PM by Pykrete
1) This seems like A Million Is a Statistic.
2) Donald Trump, people.
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