Moving works off main

As the post says, I'm thinking of working on moving certain works off onto their own subspace (generally starting with ones that sound like tropes to me). If I create the page on the media subspace, then set the Main as a redirect, will this be a problem, or general bad practice, and is there anything else I should be doing on this.

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It's a good idea, in general. This Wiki wants to move more toward the practice of having works articles occupy a medium namespace rather than Main. We have not yet made it a high priority, though, with other cleanup projects up first. However, I'd recommend that, if you seriously want to embark on this project, you move it to Special Efforts so more tropers can become involved.

Any mod can do that (the moving part) if we decide we want to get started.

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Umm...all works? That will take more work than adjusting the links of all of the Tropes Of Legend combined. It will also break the inbounds.

As I understand it, we don't care quite as much about the inbounds on works as on tropes, and we can always make the main a redirect or disambiguation or something.

edited 19th Apr '11 1:00:30 PM by Balmung

This. Of course it's a lot of work, but right now we have a critical mass in the direction of lumping everything in the wiki on Main. The more stuff we move, the more that mass will shift towards namespacing works, until it becomes common practice.

But don't sweat it. Do things one at a time.

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I'd definitely say leave Mains as redirects, (assuming that's not a problem), and it's certainly not a desperate job. I'm just trying to work out how big a job moving one would be, and any sort of issues it might cause.

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Well, not all as redirects. If more than one work has the same name, the main should be a disambiguation page.

edited 19th Apr '11 1:13:20 PM by Balmung

If we were to put serious effort into this, it'd be good to have a "canonical" list of namespaces for works, as well as rules for what to do in cases where categories overlap, such as a web-released machinima fan-fic.*

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To your specific example, the only real conflict there is between Machinima and Fanfic, as 99% of both are released on the web in some form. Web Original only counts as a catch-all when another category doesn't apply. We do not, however, have an official categorization for Machinima even though there's a namespace for it.

edited 19th Apr '11 1:26:02 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

We probably should move this to Special Efforts, though, especially, if we're going to put serious effort into it.

There is the matter of the Video Game namespace. Is it VideoGame/ or Game/? I've seen both.

But yeah, voting this is moved to Special Efforts.

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As far as the Main links are kept as redirects, fine with me.

So, will the Main namespace then be used just for Admin purposes?

It'll be used for tropes, as far as I know.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

So would this mean that I could eventually make a namespace for say, Dragonlance, and then make individual works pages for all of the trilogies and individual books in the series?

How would we handle pages that cover multiple media, like Charlie And The Chocolate Factory (a book and two movies), Death Note (a manga and an anime), or Transformers Generation 1 (a cartoon and three different comics, one of which started contemporaneously with the cartoon, and each of which is in the process of getting its own page).

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Both the Death Note anime and manga are close enough that listing tropes from each one would be redundant, but there is still the films.

We could use the system Wikipedia does and list the multiple medias by genre and/or year. For example Charlie And The Chocolate Factory 2005 Film. Unfortuantely, this may break the character limit and make linking much more complicated, so it's not the best idea.

edited 19th Apr '11 3:32:45 PM by chihuahua0

It would be more along the lines of Film.Charlie And The Chocolate Factory 2005, which should fit fine.

Main.Charlie And The Chocolate Factory would be a disambiguation page that links to the book and both movies.

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Why? It wouldn't allow two works with the same name, since the subpages would still be screwed up. It wouldn't add clarity, as everything is already categorized. I don't see any value

Unless we do a systm to the custom title system where we could do something like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory(2005), and then (2005) doesn't appear when it is linked to. Basically, the reverse.

Something besides the list on the Namespace article?

I didn't write any of that.

I think we were planning to standardize them to match the Media Categories, weren't we?

For now, I think we should only be doing this with the ones that have their own icons already.

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: yes, that was what I was looking for, but I wanted to make sure we were done with first.

Ideally, we would phase out Series (~180) to Live-Action TV and Game (~150) to Video Game in order to make sure things match, but I'd understand if we didn't.

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If the goal is to eventually have all works pages in namespaces, that would make editing the trope pages a little irritating, adding the namespace to most of the works. Granted, redirects from Main help, but...

Oooooh! Yes! Yes! zerky has been wanting to move a buttload of things for a while, but was afraid that she might get in trouble for doing it. This would be a project of epic wick-moving proportions. :D

She'll get started right away!

Main redirects would still be allowed, and in fact encouraged. But if people get used to namespacing stuff, it'll become habit and won't take so much effort to remember.

edited 20th Apr '11 6:23:39 AM by Fighteer

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