Would you bail on the States?

But what about those who already live in New Jers-

Oh, right, uninhabitable by humans.

Edit: Well that's a nice page-topper.

edited 15th Apr '11 8:37:28 PM by deathjavu

I have to consider my wife in this equation. If it was just me I would go green and mean and vanish and wait for a decent group to appear to hook up with.

But like I said. Having someone else along changes the equation a bit.

Realistically, I'm most likely to leave in case of economic collapse. I'd also go if the First Amendment got gutted, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Worst case scenario, if I did leave, I'd go to Germany.

Beer and babes, man, beer and babes. And German's an awesome language.

I'm leaving America because of college tuition, the availability of public transport, the general awesomeness of English culture, and because my ancestry hails back to the Isles.

I've actually thought a lot about living in the isles across the pond; since I was born in Britain I can't be denied citizenship.

Last time I was there it was pretty nice. Of course it'd be a pain to make friends all over again, but it wouldn't be the first time.

edited 15th Apr '11 11:09:02 PM by deathjavu

Not too sure really...The religious right taking over sounds like a good time to start packing my bags though.

I guess I'm only not seconding the fear of the right because I don't expect them to actually take over. I mean, they think we're about to take them over! (See: the War on Christmas.)

I don't see it happening anytime soon, but if it did...TO CANADA. I could go see my aunts!

edited 15th Apr '11 11:19:58 PM by Aondeug

Nothing. I was born ready for this moment.

^

Pretty much how I feel.

Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end. As Closing Time will tell you.

I look at it with a bit of an enthusiasm for that reason I guess. The opportunity to have a realistic affect on trying to build something better out of the chaos that would ensue excites me, that I could make a tangible difference.

"running is for cowards"

By that "logic", the States are built on a foundation of cowardice.

edited 15th Apr '11 11:33:40 PM by MRDA1981

Humans are a cowardly and superstitious lot!

I honestly can't see myself living anywhere else other than this country.

^^

Well I didn't found the States, so I can't really take credit for their actions.

That, and we've ran out of internationally unclaimed territory to run to and seize. Unless disenfranchised Americans feel like traveling by boat to Africa and forcefully seizing land of their own.

Plus, I'd feel differently if I had a place that I wanted to go. But I don't. There's a prevailing factor that prevents me from having a desire to go to any other country in the world, so until there is a primarily English speaking country that is gun friendly and not a shithole, I'm stuck here making my own lot in life in the US.

edited 15th Apr '11 11:41:02 PM by Barkey

Liberia really isn't the best model for a state...

I agree, which is why I said I'll stay. ;)

I don't live in the US, but I may have to emigrate from the UK to find employment anyway, so I will probably head North.

Personally? I have a connection to the people I live with and like, not the country I live in.

If you end up in a situation thats shitty for you and or your loved ones, why is it cowardly to leave?

In any case, Religious Right taking over is the big one for me. If Palin or anyone like her becomes president I'm getting as far away as possible.

Also if America really starts going into a civil war like revolution. I am happy in my current situation, even with the problems we have.

I have a saying to myself that the worst kind of cynicism can lead to the best form of optimism.

In a weird way, I kinda want the U.S. economy to collapse and the currently established government to go with it. I'm probably crazy for thinking this, but I want the overall quality of life for the upper and middle class to go down. The culture of materialism has caused the vast majority of people here to forget what's really important in one's life, and I honestly wouldn't mind seeing that go to hell. I want us to start over.

Yes, I would. U.K. or Norway. As much as I'd like to live in Japan (and I'm near-fluent in Japanese), I'm not sure it'd be a smart choice after last month's events.

edited 16th Apr '11 2:02:16 AM by Sakan4k

@SubtlyinyourMind:...

Out of the many, many problems that that would cause, one is that the decrease in living standards would not be shared between the classes. The poor and (formerly) middle class would bear the worst of it, while those with money would shield themselves quite effectively.

edited 16th Apr '11 1:59:17 AM by EnglishIvy

^^^ An economic collapse does not lead people to rethink "what's really important in one's life" and reject a culture of materialism.

Rather, it causes people to start thinking "Aargh I need to find a way to get enough food for this evening".

Which, after a fashion, is focusing on what's really important in life, but somehow I doubt that that was what you were aiming for ;)

edited 16th Apr '11 2:00:39 AM by Carciofus

I never said what I wanted was realistic.

I guess what I honestly want is just this classism to come to a screeching halt so everyone can have a fair chance at life/socialism FTW/self-deprecating naive optimism.

BEING realistic, I see the first-world countries finding a way to get the economy back in order, but I doubt we're going to learn much of anything from this. This isn't the depression of the 30's, and it would take that plus something worse to make the economy make any real amount of change.

People are soft. And we treat change the same way initially.

I wonder how many recessions/depressions there need to be in order for people to realize that credit isn't very good...