Justice League

"See above."

I said good.

And frankly that whole knowing vs feeling thing is stupid. In TFA we saw people's faves get lit up by the class glow .

I don't need to see more. I can feel terrible for them just fine. This distinction here is plain irrational.

Not irrational, just subjective.

Neither side's going to give any ground here. Probably best just to leave it.

I've seen a number of people believe the big war sequence with the Amazons seen in the trailer is going to be the climax of this film. The thing is the set visit described a "History Lesson" that describes the original conflict, so I'll imagine it will be a Lord of the Rings-esque prologue, or maybe somewhere near the middle to inform the characters when they get their hands on a Mother Box.

I think one element that might make all the difference between this film and BVS and MOS is that there is a clear enemy from the beginning. The other films approached the story as a character drama, which caused a disconnect with the big action sequences that are backloaded in the story. All Marvel films, whatever their flaws, are pretty good about pacing and having an action beat every 20 minutes.

This may rustle some jimmies, but I think DCEU!Superman should be more like MCU/Captain America. A lot more.

Actually, before the DCEU proper started, I had an idea for a DC cinematic universe: have it take place in an ambiguously old-timey setting that reflects the period the original comics were actually coming out, like Batman: The Animated Series. Image Superman flying around a Metropolis that looks like Depression-era New York. We haven't seen that before.

Is that a Wocket in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

"Good" is subjective. To me, that's a very good reason.

And yet true. There have been studies — again, read the Cracked article. Look up Dunbar's number.

Quick question; does anyone else think that the CGI in the new trailer was kind of bad? Like, really bad? I wasn't too impressed honestly.

Yeah, the CG looks kind of bad. And in the case of Cyborg's design, overly busy. Looked like something Michael Bay would do.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

I can't get over Cyborg knees. They seem so fragile, even Batman could do serious damage on them without problem.

It's been a trend lately to show some unfinished visual effects for the trailers. Transformers, Civil War and others even have side by side comparison videos made to show what was cleaned up for the actual movie. I wouldn't say anything in the trailer was outright bad, but you can see a notable SFX difference between Batman throwing the grenade at a parademon and Aquaman harpooning two at once. Cyborg is similar, the close up of him in the hoodie looks off but him shooting down rubble looks better. The visuals are excellent all around.

"This may rustle some jimmies, but I think DCEU!Superman should be more like MCU/Captain America. A lot more."

Bull headedly refusing any oversight on his team even after several catastrophic errors in judgement that cost civilians their lives, never being seen taking any concrete measures to actually improve after said failures and flipping out because a woman who tried to kill hundreds in cold blood was made to face the mildest possible repercussions for a mistake that killed a dozen more people ?

Or did you mean having enough charisma to make everyone ignore all that ?

Oh great, the civil war over Civil War continues...

(sorry, I'd been saving that pun for ages)

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

That's not a pun.

Fine, joke, whatever, point is that I'd been wanting to save that until the right time.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

The interesting thing is that for about the last 15-20 years Superman has been portrayed as a lot more shy and aloof, he's highly respected as the greatest hero but not very social and avoids leading the Justice League personally. In fact, when he starts taking a more active role within the League or the superhero community it's treated as a bad thing (The Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come, Cadmus Arc of Justice League, Injustice: Gods Among Us). Batman and Martian Manhunter are seen as the more natural leaders and strategists, and Superman's support of them and other heroes/teams is seen as the best thing possible. This all makes sense, as he sees himself as a guy from Kansas and has no interest in embracing power, whether it be his own or the League.

So that by itself makes him much different from Captain America, who is on the lower tier in terms of superpowers and thus heavily relies on being able to lead and inspire others. He is also more of a frontline general, leading and directing other heroes personally. Superman prefers to let other heroes do their thing with gentle advice and guidance.

So I was talking with others about the trailer and we agree it was mostly just okay. It's a Roll Call trailer with a lot of action, and serves that purpose well. I'll imagine the second trailer will tell more about the story and the third trailer will have a focus on Superman. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the second trailer didn't come out with Wonder Woman, then a third trailer sometime in August/September.

edited 28th Mar '17 10:02:11 PM by KJMackley

Modern Superman has most often been portrayed as being less about fighting crime or injustice and more about saving lives. He's more of a fireman, not a cop or a soldier.

Shy and aloof, perhaps. But he's pretty much always been active as part of the League and a lot of the time, he's the leader.

None of these are examples of Superman being "more active" in the League or in the superhero community. The Dark Knight Returns has a Superman who is a stooge of the government, the Cadmus Arc has is about how Cadmus fears Superman will turn into the Superman of the Justice Lords (which doesn't happen), and Injustice is about a Superman who snaps when he is tricked in accidentally killing his pregnant wife. None of those are when he takes a more active role in the League or community.

Actually, while Batman is pretty much the strategist, the leadership chair has rotated so that many, many people have played the leader, including (most often) Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Black Canary.

He has no interest in embracing power, but he does have an interest in helping people, which is what the League is supposed to do.

I really recommend you read Grant Morrison's Action Comics, where he is more about fighting crime and injustice.

edited 28th Mar '17 10:16:54 PM by alliterator

@ thatindiantroper: I actually meant being a good, amenable person who expresses sincere love and concern for his fellow beings and would go out of his way to help as many people as possible even if he had no powers at all, not a mugging gargoyle who suddenly decides to stop helping people injured in a bomb blast because he had a case of the fee-fees.

Is that a Wocket in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Or, you know, no be someone who doesn't give a rat about the village slaughtered to incriminate him (which doesn't make sense, who can buy that he killed the villagers but not the dictator, unless he did kill him when he attacked him at full speed...), but care about Batman indirectly killing criminals just because the plot demands it.

Could be worse. Could be his godawful design from Justice League War.

edited 29th Mar '17 7:48:10 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

http://www.slashfilm.com/akira-remake-director-jordan-peele/

So Jordan Peele's apparently a frontrunner for The Flash. I should probably put this in Flash thread but I'm too lazy.

The Batgirl movie is happening! And guess who's directing!

...

Hollywood is a strange and mysterious place indeed.

And I'll believe nothing until we get set photos and an actual trailer.

edited 30th Mar '17 9:57:25 AM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

Not really. He's not working for marvel anymore.

Now excuse me I need to post this on reditt .

Edit: Fuck someone beat me to it.

edited 30th Mar '17 10:01:15 AM by thatindiantroper

A Nightwing, a Gotham City Sirens and a Batgirl movie? They might as well start calling their universe The Batman Extended Universe.

Hey, go with what works, I guess.