General Star Wars Animated Series

The EU was canon up until after the show had ended airing on Cartoon Network. Heck, the show was part of the EU.

edited 14th Mar '14 3:52:12 PM by stingerbrg

It technically it in the EU if you go by the definition that Wookieepedia gives it. However, the books, comics, and games aren't canon.

They are no longer, but (here's what I'm trying to stress) they were all canon at the time this show was made. The company was the one that made up the different canon levels, not Wookieepedia. Those works not being canon now doesn't matter if the discussion is about what decisions the people were making when they were considered canon.

Also, I don't get your reason for bringing it up in the first place. The post you were replying to wasn't a "wah they messed things up," they just put what they saw in the show in context of the other materials they have seen. No need to do the whole "That's not canon!" thing.

edited 14th Mar '14 4:55:25 PM by stingerbrg

Didn't Pablo Hidalgo and Leland Chee say that Star Wars: The Clone Wars is not apart of the EU? Regardless, I don't get why you think I'm being antagonistic.

When they said that after the Disney acquisition. After the new movies were announced. After TCW had ended. For the first 5 seasons it was, when it was only Chee working on The Holocron stuff and Hidalgo was just another author.

Under the old system, TCW was the second-highest level of canon, after the movies/whatever George said. Under the new system, the movies, TCW, and Rebels are all equal, while the other EU works effectively don't exist anymore.

This page has an interesting preview of the comic based on the unaired episode of the Maul storyline in TCW.

Now, when it says "based on unaired episodes of The Clone Wars TV series", does it mean that they were completed but were simply not shown?

edited 15th Mar '14 7:13:40 PM by Stevron

Presumably not. If they were completed there wouldn't be much reason to not show them on Netflix.

True, but a man can dream.

The last arc proves what Barriss Offee claimed about the Jedi Council is true: They had indeed fallen to the Dark Side. They turned on even their leader Master Yoda.... Mace Windu is just like Atris! It also seems that Yoda's advice to Anakin was inspired by his adventure in the last arc.... If it was a any other Jedi on the Council or even Yoda from before before hearing the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn's Force Ghost he was asking he would have likely been told about Self Fullfilling Prophecies.

It indeed does have me interested. And when it says unaired, I think it simply means that these stories never made it onto air - if I remember correctly, they did already do a lot of work on this arc, though, as they said the designs we will be seeing were for the actual show. I also wonder what the Nightbrothers will bring to the Shadow Collective.

Also, I'm now kind of torn on the information that Echo survived (or may have given that the Commando arc that Brent Friedman confirmed he was in isn't airing). on one hand, it's happy to know that a member of Domino Squad actually is still alive, but on the other hand it kind of takes away the impact of Five's death in Orders, seeing as we thought he was the last member of Domino Squad (of course there were other factors involved, but being "the last Domino to fall" was a big one).

Just finished the Order 66 arc. One of the best storyarcs of the show, and one of the best storyarcs in the history of star wars.

It was truly thrilling to watch Fives' slowly come to the realization we all know about Palpatine and the Republic. I liked a lot how they explained the whole Order 66 deal with the microchips and such (which was a good thing, I think. The old explanation of "just folloing orders" did end up sounding a tad schizophrenic due their personalities).

It's an actual shame Fives had to die at the end. I thought he might survive to appear in the sequel series or somesuch. But alas, so dies the last member of the Domino Squad.

edited 18th Mar '14 5:16:24 AM by Gaon

Clearly Season 6 was going to be the lead in to ROTS... Most likely if they had had a full season instead of half... We'd have had closure on Maul-who is getting a comic line atleast, Barriss and Ahsoka

There's actually only space in the season for about two more arcs. The next one would have wrapped up the Maul storyline (and will be released in comic form). Who knows what the other one was, though. I don't think they actually planned on returning to Ahsoka in Season 6, though.

Maybe make it a Season and a half long or just have an episode like "The Lost one" -IE one really ****ing good episode-

Finally gets around to watching it.

Order 66 arc

Ya got to feel bad for Fives, cause he doesn't go out in a blaze of glory, or killed by an enemy ambush or random monster eating him... He dies being gun downed like a sick dog, The Chips I think are a nice way to explain why the clones despite thier nature would so quickly turn on the Jedi and the cover for why The clones have them -and sadly Fives misjudged behavior, is a whole lot more believable then The order is the hand book, and no one has an issue with it. Fives and Droids back and forth is pretty good at adding levity to the the tense chase, so you knew the moment he was gone it would just be nothing but heaviness.

Clovis Arc -why was this cut from Season 5?-

I really do like that this kinda shows the strain of what Anakin and Padme's relationship takes, Clovis for the most part is indeed a man trying to redeem himself... its just a shame he didn't learn the lesson of not trusting Dooku. Really this Arc is all about how truly a masters of manipulation the sith are, though having finally gotten use to and warmed up to Tim Curry as Palpy... Its kinda </3ing to hear old Ian again, then again his last little chat with Dooku pretty much tells you Sidious and Palpy are one and the same... I mean if the Lawless didn't hammer that home i don't know what would.

My favorite bit is the conversation with Obi-wan and Anakin, You get the feeling Obi is much more aware -with Obi's laundry list of dead lovers, he probably knows better then anyone- of what Padme and anakin's relationship is... but he isn't judging Anakin... he just wants him to admit to it, and Anakin wants to...but can't bring himself to do it... clearly angry at himself when Obi leaves.

The Disappered Two parter

Its The Odd Couple crossed with Temple of Doom and Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Odd couple is Mace Windu and Jar Jar Binks... you need to watch it for the absurdity... that Jar Jar is now more like a idiot savant/Genius Ditz then just an idiot. I love Jar Jar just straight up Lariats a guy.

I don't think I like the idea of the clones having chips in their heads. I thought the whole Order 66 thing works a lot better when the army just accepted the order, even if they were on friendly terms with the Jedi, i.e. Cody blasting Obi-Wan with a cannon seconds after returning his lightsaber. Isn't that why the Jedi were caught off-guard by Order 66, because the clones showed no signs of being controlled in any way?

The chip thing retcons nothing about that though. The official (and widely believed, it seems) explanation by Lama Su is that the chips restrain their natural proposition to violence (mind you, this is barely a retcon in some terms: The Kaminoans in Episode II claim the clones are "altered" to be less violent, but never mention specifically how. The cartoon uses the chip concept). The Jedi remain just as unaware they were being controlled as always.]

I also think the original version made no sense given how clones act in this series. So you tell me Commander Rex would have gunned down Anakin with no second thought, specially after the whole Krell debacle? The specific Rex example is moot because Anakin joins the Empire, but the principle remains the same.

I was about to say, of course not, because Anakin's no traitor.

The problem is that behavior make the clones, whom this series makes a herculean effort to portray as humane, sound like clinical sociopaths. The concept of a inhibitor chip makes them all the more tragic, while retaining their personalities and the "Jedi entirely blindsided by the betrayal" element.

So...let me see if i understand the chip thing from the "Order 66 Arc" correctly: the chips implanted within the Clone Army make it so that the phrase "Order 66" will cause them to lose nearly all of their free will and make them attack the Jedi like an army of, as Fives put it "mindless unthinking droids"

As long as it comes from the Grand Chancellor's mouth

@Bad Wolf: One of the Season 6 arcs that got cut was the once focusing on Boba Fett and Cad Bane, so there's that. The Son of Dathomir arc may have been Season 7 as well - if you look at the sketches Filoni posted, you will notice that the URLS for each sketch mention what season they were meant for in terms of production order - all of The Lost Missions had Season 5 production codes except Clovis (which had season 4 production codes as it was meant for Season 5 as a broadcast), and the bounty hunter sketches mention they were a part of the Season 5 writers' conference. The only three sketches that were from the Season 6 conference (assuming that they would run out of space after the bounty hunters and move to Season 6 through production order) were the first Maul one (which makes me wonder - if the second sketch if part of the Season 7 conference, then might there be something after Son of Dathomir?), the Wookie arc sketches and Echo (though Brent Friedman said that this arc - which he wrote - was intended to be the Season 7 premiere as the broadcasted season). There may have been more stuff from the conference that we don't know, but by going with your guess it would probably be the Maul or Wookie arc.

As for the whole thing about the inhibitor chips, I took it that the reason the clones in Revenge of the Sith acted differently was because theirs' were working properly, while Tup's was malfunctioning. It also makes me wonder if the effect of the chips are permanent, compared to Tup going in and out of his killer phase.

edited 20th Mar '14 3:28:26 PM by Tyrannotitan

What does the note on the concept-art with Ahsoka and Bo-Katan say? "Ahsoka appoints Bo-Katan as/13 (I'm not sure which)..." What? Can anyone spell it out?

edited 21st Mar '14 12:53:48 PM by Werebazs

So I just finished up the first two arcs.

I caught the end of the Fives arc, and then went back and watched the rest. Then I finished up the Clovis arc, which I'd been watching beforehand.

Man, Clovis is not a smart man. He screwed himself by trusting Dooku, but I don't get why he would do that? He'd dealt with the Separatists before, and they screwed him back then too. Why did he think it was a good idea to go near them again, even if he planned on coming clean about his getting their support for his bid as leader of the Banking clan.

And now that I'm done with Clovis, I'm watching the Jar-Jar and Mace episode.

Competent (or at least useful) Jar-Jar bunks is like dividing by zero. It should be impossible, but he clearly knew exactly what he was doing when it came to dealing with the Queen.