Brave

Why can't they start now?

I agree.

Sure they can, but it wouldn't really make sense.

Because it wouldn't be part of the tradition, that's why.

They would be breaking the tradition!

That would actually have fit in this movie.

Oh-H Ohohoho!!! Wow. Wow. Touche!

Wow, that comment, wow. Never would have connected the dots, good job!

I think Totoro showing up in Toy Story 3 counts as a non-Pixar cameo.

edited 5th Jul '12 6:08:38 PM by Sijo

Forgot about that. I found it awesome that not only did he get to cameo, he got to be a character.

Just saw it. It's... interesting. Certainly not what I was expecting going into the movie. In fact, what the plot was really about hit me like a kind of twist. Of course, I started to figure out that it would go differently than I thought when I first realized the movie would be mainly about Elinor.

But I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless. It was an interesting and fun little romp, though if I were to give any criticism it'd be that while it had a fairly solid plot it lacked the... weight, I guess... you usually find in Pixar stories. For a lot of build up and so much attention given to it the end result was so very simple.

In the end, though, I wasn't left thinking the movie was bad, much to the contrary. Just... strange for Pixar. More of a regular family film.

Tres Freaky Friday.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot. I adored La Luna. It was great. Equal parts adorable, heartwarming, and fun. Very "warm-and-fuzzy."

I kept thinking "and so Mario's ancestors first work with the power of the stars."

edited 6th Jul '12 3:43:31 PM by KnownUnknown

"...Leading to today when they use the Stars to become invincible!"

I really want to see La Luna. It sounds like it'd be worth having to sit through Brave again.

Dude, Brave is worth sitting through Brave for, and La Luna is just the cream on top.

Gonna agree with you there

For you, perhaps. I didn't think it was anything special. Mainly because I'm one of those people who thought Merida was a bitch.

edited 6th Jul '12 6:46:33 PM by Mort08

...Why do you think she is a bitch? *Is completely flabbergasted by that.*

Like on the YMMV page on Brave, Merida seems to be a point of consternation.

I don't have much respect for someone who:

1. Is willing to start a civil war just so they can run around in the woods and shoot arrows.

2. Says they would rather die than be like their mother. Bit harsh, that.

3. Turns their mother into a freaking BEAR, then almost immediately starts complaining that they were cheated by the person who sold them the spell.

4. Refuses to admit that mistake for quite some time afterwards, not even after it becomes apparent that Elinor is slowly losing her humanity. Hell, it's not even until after she's apparently gone that Merida says it.

Pixar was obviously going for a flawed protagonist, but they didn't give her enough redeeming qualities, IMO. There was nothing that really made me want to root for her. If anything, I was rooting for Elinor to put her in her place.

edited 6th Jul '12 7:10:07 PM by Mort08

All that, AND very possibly could've killed her mother but only cared about whether or not she had changed her mind yet.

edited 6th Jul '12 7:13:11 PM by MuuMiuMew

1. Her parents sprung on her, with no warning whatsoever, without her permission whatsoever, an arranged marriage. She then saw a way that she felt she could get out of it without angering the others (by shooting for her own hand), and takes the opportunity.
2. She said that when she was angry because of the aforementioned arranged marriage.
3. She didn't intend to change her mother into a bear, just changer her mind about the marriage. She had every right to complain about that because the witch had given her no warning that it would do what it did.
4. She refused to admit her mistake because at first she didn't see her mistake. She hadn't intended to do what she did, so she felt like it wasn't her fault, even though it was. Once she realized it was her fault, she did freely admit it was her fault.

I think part of the appeal of the movie was Merida learning to be more mature (though I do agree the unannounced arranged marriage is unfair).

There was also the thing with the tapestry. The "I'd rather die than be like you" bit can be passed off as blind rage, but she knew damn well what she was doing when she slashed that tapestry.

Pretty much everything she did in the first third of the movie rubbed me the wrong way.

edited 6th Jul '12 7:29:17 PM by Mort08

Mort08 You have a point, except about the civil war, because if she didn't marry, the lords would just make idiots of themselves and more slapstick would ensue. Any threat of a war was lost with the lords bungling, any war that could have happened probably wouldn't be taken seriously.

I stand by my point that there would be trouble of some kind. Maybe there wouldn't be a war, per se, but there would definitely be tensions. Dingwall especially seems like the kind of guy who would hold a grudge.