Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

Riiiiiight. Actually, you may be right. I don't really care. I still think they should change it when the finally stop screwing with Solid and Naked Snake (and Raiden), they should change the name to reflect the change.

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Peace Walker was decent, but had shitty re-playability, especially if you didn't have a buddy to co-op with.

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But it had dinosaurs.

Replayability? Why would you replay a game that takes 40+ hours to get the definitely final ending on without waiting for three years to pass first?

Videogames do not make you a worse person... Than you already are.

"Once again I'd intended for MGS 3 to wrap up the series, but so many people wanted to know what happened after "2". Things like the identity of the Patriots and so forth. I had planned on leaving those mysteries as mysteries, but people weren't convinced that the series was wrapped up. So ultimately we ended up making "4"."

- Hideo Kojima, interview with Etsu Tamari [KONAMI]

Dammit, Metal Gear fans.

Also read these series of articles.

http://metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_longdark.html

http://metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_kojimaVSmgs4.html

http://metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_soldout_1.html

http://metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_soldout_10.html

edited 9th Apr '11 1:24:13 AM by omamus

Interesting read, makes me respect Kojima a lot more now surprisingly. Also makes me see the games in an entirely different light.

Both 1 and 2's endings made me feel like Kojima was telling me to get off my ass and stop playing his game so I could make the world a better place and take a good long look at myself....then I popped in the next game

edited 9th Apr '11 2:13:11 AM by ViralLamb

Power corrupts. Knowledge is Power. Study hard. Be evil.

Why do all of those sound like they were taken from the WMG page?

After playing every MGS game multiple times over, it's easy to go through my memories and connect the dots, especially since I've always heard about Kojima's distaste for the continuing of MGS.

So all that stuff in the articles made sense to me.

edited 9th Apr '11 2:12:52 AM by ViralLamb

Power corrupts. Knowledge is Power. Study hard. Be evil.

And that he's currently vice president and yet is conti8nuing to make the games says what to you? The univeral high scores and fan adorationsays what to you?

Money, Dear Boy. Plus Cash-Cow Franchise. Konami just won't let him move on.

edited 9th Apr '11 2:28:07 AM by omamus

That's what I don't understand. I already considered that the reason, he is still making MGS games, is that Konami won't let him do anything else. But is he really so powerless? And if he is, why doesn't he just leave Konami? He is a pretty big name, other developers would surely love to get him. Is he so attached to a company, that makes him do games, that he hates?

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.

I think it's because he feels loyalty to his team. Even though he hates making Metal Gear he feels loyalty to his team.

That and the paycheck.

And he was only recently promoted to vice president.

As I said I'm glad he's not working on rising. He needs a long break from Metal Gear.

edited 9th Apr '11 3:11:21 AM by omamus

As a vice president, shouldn't he have a little more to say? Not saying that he is no Konami-slave anymore, but at least he should get some hearing, when he says that he wants to do something different than Metal Gear.

But yes, it's good that he's not working on Rising. Maybe he can go on to other projects.

edited 9th Apr '11 3:23:42 AM by Nyarly

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.

Your right, but the games he's gonna announce have probably been in development before he became VP.

And I think Kojima Should just stay on as Executive Producer.

I'm sorry but there is no way that 2 or 3 wrapped up the series in any shape or form. They opened up more plotlines; and 2 was a blatant Sequel Hook.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

Lets see, you're making a developer work on an already wrapped up series, that he personally hates.

Yeah, that'll end well.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.

The problem is you are represented by Raiden,and like Raiden you have to find your own answers.

Kojima was basically telling you to realize that not all things in life have answers.

When you have him stating "Snake needs to die in order for me to move on" yeah I can see why he wants to end the series.

edited 9th Apr '11 12:51:28 PM by omamus

That there's a million zillion wonderful ways to say "no," and Kojima doesn't know any of them.

Now I normally don't believe what I read about Japanese culture (most of it being written by American nerds who Did Not Do The Research and are just pulling shit out of their ass to reinforce whatever they want to believe anyway) but one thing I have heard that seems to be true is that Japanese people tend to think of themselves as existing for others and so tend to do things that please people even if it does not please them. Case in point: "going on strike" never works in Japan because they always think of the people who are "suffering" and decide to do their job anyway.

When it comes to art though, this is probably the ideal condition. Artists who continue works they hate tend to always produce better works than artists who are full of themselves and want to force their pet projects on everybody (again I point to The Hound of the Baskervilles as a literary example). Kojima has continued making decent games despite hating the series. He may very well be the Japanese Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in that sense.

If he really wanted to quit, he could lock himself in a room and threaten suicide like the Yuyu Hakusho guy did.

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I agree but mgs4 just felt artificial to me. He perfected the gameplay though.

I still haven't gotten to play 4, tell ya the honest truth. I don't have a PS 3 and don't know anyone who does.

Going to secure a copy anyway, just for when the day comes...

By the way, wasn't Peace Walker supposed to be MGS 5 at one point?

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Why wouldn't it? It ended well the other three times.

And am I really the only one who can draw the connection between "I dislike the Metal Gear series. This will be the last, I mean it", and "This is it, our final, farewell, last ever we mean it tour - Rolling Stones, 1969". Have you considered its just something he says to drive up sales?

Perhaps, but when you get death threats from fans. I would hate my series to.

And Kojima's at his best when he has Protection From The Editors or in this case fans. I recently replayed Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 3 and I loved the plots of those games To bad fans now tell him what to do.

To quote the snake soup.

"Sonsof Liberty was never meant to have a sequel, so when said sequel is made, holes are filled with answers that lack creative juice. Gunsofthe Patriots has it's good moments but storywise it feels like a copout. Players are put in the sneaking suit of Old Snake, who's pretty much an overage Solid Snake who lost the spark he had in Sonsof Liberty and really just wants to sleep and not eat eggs from a loli. "

edited 10th Apr '11 8:51:28 AM by omamus

Nonononononono, Guns Of The Patriots isn't the sequel to Sons of Liberty. Snake Eater is the sequel to Sons of Liberty in terms of filling in the plot. The Philosophers are meant to fill in the holes on what the Patriots are, and we also gain insight into Big Boss's motivation.

And, if I may, what Snake in Sons of Liberty? You mean the one who we played with for an hour? You mean the one whose best moment wwas fighting a woman with hairy pits? Thats the Snake that the man in MGS 4, who pilots mechs, fires whirlwinds, fights some of the best boss fights ever, infiltrates a floating fortress undetected (a job he failed miserably at when seen in Sons Of Liberty) and finally manages to kill Vamp, is a pale imitation of? Yes, Snake is old, but are gamers really so jaded that old must mean decrepit and bad? He experiences some of his finest moments when he reaches that maturity.

Bah, as I said I liked the vagueness of mgs 2's ending.

While I felt mgs3 was step back, it still featured a good story.

As for mgs4 ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kNrIn8H32c

Yeah I think it's story sucked.

Thumped for switching the discussion from the topic to a person.