Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl

Great...did the Race Card just get pulled suddenly again? Just because they look like they were making kissing motions at the camera?

Black or white, making a mockery of a crime one does just reaally doesn't seem like a smart thing to do.

...great, now I'm afraid that talking about physical appearances of CRIMINALS is a Race Card.

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^ I don't expect a smiling face. I was expecting a more neutral stare at the camera face. Something less...that.

edited 13th Mar '11 12:01:59 AM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

Also people are told not to smile for mug shots, and the whole 'hurr im tough' mentality some people show. "IM A HARD NIGGA I SWEAR EVEN THOUGH I RARELY GET INTO FIGHTS AND WEAR DOMO CLOTHING YEAH NIGGA BLAST THAT RAP ALL DAY ERRRY DAY"

Lol, No. Funny as the whites tend to default to the race card - e.g. they pull it more than blacks do in some situations. Also I hope I didnt derail this more.

edited 13th Mar '11 12:05:02 AM by BalloonFleet

WHASSUP....... ....with lolis!

It's interesting that a female lawyer is making such a sexist argument.

Anime geemu wo shinasai!

They look like young men accused of a crime look in their booking photos. Some of them are trying to look tough. Some of them are trying to look bored and contemptuous. Some just look tired. Some look blank.

There's nothing to read beyond the fact that they're trying, as young men do, to tough it out, even though most of them are probably in more shit than they've ever been in before. None of them, I'm pretty certain, have ever been charged with anything that got national attention before. Some of them may even be innocent — not everyone who gets arrested gets prosecuted.

A brighter future for a darker age.

Accusing innocents of child rape with nationwide press? Now I'm reminded of the Salem Witch Trial. Maybe I should make of list of all the trials that can be compared to this.

Anime geemu wo shinasai!

Innocent until proven guilty lest we forget.

Balloon: Yes your statement about protecting those who are targets applies to every single prison right? Right? And you gleaned your knowledge from a comments section try again please.

Who watches the watchmen?

Since I've been working like every night and basically only have enough time to eat something before bed and after waking up, I only just found out about this. Did a search for it, and found this CNN article. (Apologies if that's already been linked.) I note the "blame the victim" defense writ large here.

• the girl didn't do enough to stop the alleged assailants.
• "It was not the young girl that yelled rape."
• "Where was the mother? Where was the father?"

Eighteen people gang-raped an 11-year old girl. AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD. And they're trotting out the "she dressed like a whore, she was asking for it" excuse?!

There is no consent from an eleven year old. Please do not think of these idiots as representative of Texas. Please.

As far as "innocent until proven guilty," they provided the evidence themselves by taking pics and videos with their cel-phones and passing them around the school.

edited 15th Mar '11 2:12:48 PM by BlackWolfe

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.

People still blame the victim these days? I hope people can move on from that "well she was a whore so she deserved it" mentality.

"Without a fairy, you're not even a real man!" ~ Mido from Ocarina of Time

Or some ironic retribution happens to anyone who still use it.

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

"It's interesting that a female lawyer is making such a sexist argument." - Grain

That is a rather sexist thing to say.

Really though, it depends on what you consider sexist. What about it would you consider "sexist" in and of itself? There are a variety of possible refutations to it, but the idea that it is inherently sexist is questionable at best. Who is to say that a counterpart for males who did a comparable thing would not be applied if a male had been raped? (At least one chooses how to dress; one does not choose to get an erection.)

Well, the "male rape" argument tends to be about them wanting sex all the time or something to that effect.

"Dressing like sluts" seems to be pretty female only as an accusation.

Although, I hope that you'll agree that sexist or not, it was a terrible thing for the attorney to say.

Hodor

Of course. I am just questioning whether or not sexist was the right label for it.

Also, I would think that a male counterpart to "dressing like sluts" would be harder to pin down because what women would find sexually tantalizing in men does not seem to be as agreed upon. And then there is the question of how different the intensities of sexual desire are in the first place and whether or not the argument would by its very nature have different implications with genders reversed...

edited 15th Mar '11 3:07:20 PM by neoYTPism

Seems like Straw Traitor to me.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

With the last part of your post, I should point you to All Women Are Lustful.

Basically, whenever there's a perception that a gender wants sex all the time, that's gonna be used as a reason to disbelieve rape accusations.

edited 15th Mar '11 3:39:44 PM by Jordan

Hodor

I note that whenever I see a rape case, I immeadiately think of the face of a random female person I know, typically one similar to the victim, and my moral squick and anger increase at this point.

• a)Is this normal?
• b)Is this a character flaw?

At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff...

No, Yes. You're creating an irrational emotional bias that presumes accused people are guilty until proven innocent.

edited 16th Mar '11 5:22:04 AM by Grain

Anime geemu wo shinasai!

I don't know about that. One reason people can be apathetic towards crimes is that it doesn't matter to them. They don't know that person, so why should it matter to them that the person got hurt?

I suppose it's a way of making the victim and their pain real to yourself.

edited 16th Mar '11 4:31:46 AM by LoniJay

Be not afraid...

Actually that isn't the only place that has been pointed out, aka discussions with people whose' fathers were in prison and said the pedos did all the lightweight jobs etc etc.

WHASSUP....... ....with lolis!

Somebody in this thread wrote that they have a hard time believing that something might happen in a small town of 8000 people.

Seriously, I think that experience (with catholic institutions, the military, etc.) shows that some factors contributing to abuse of any kind are:

• Small communities
• Closed communities
• Strong hierarchical structures
• Strong ideologies that support the hierarchy

I'm sure there are a few more, but it all seems to point to small towns being more prone to rape. Not sure if the stats support that, but as an adhoc hypothesis, I think it's good enough.

After thinking it over I think I figured out why the lawyer is using the "she was asking for it" defense. She really, really, really hates her clients and wants to put up the worst legal defense possible so they'll end up in jail for a long time. That is the only reason I can think of for mounting such a stupid defense.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

That is reassuring, although I think you can get disbarred for doing that kind of thing, or at the very least, your client can try to appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel.

Hodor

Indeed: people have the right to representation, not trolling to get them in trouble.

From what I've read, the only defense for things like rape is "it didn't happen", so I'd think they'd be trying harder to prove their clients aren't in the video. But whatev.

edited 18th Mar '11 4:35:15 PM by Ratix

Commando:Yes all personal stories and gleaned from comments and posts. Try giving us something more concrete like an article that discusses it. Besides there are quite a few prisons in Texas. List of Texas State Prisons Your assumption is based on the idea they have room to spare for that kind of segregation at the prison they will be in. Also prison riots often have breaches in security in various sections of a prison. Hell there isn't any grantee they will not have "accidents" or a guard may just screw it and go after him.

The fact of the matter is they are targets in a vulnerable position in a population of human predators. Short of a prison dedicated for just them and others like them I.E. ex cops, molesters, and the like there is no guarantee of their safety.

Who watches the watchmen?