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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#1: Mar 5th 2011 at 9:18:12 AM

I admit I was guilty of it before. The name implies an awesome opportunity was missed on a show, and a number of wicks use that context, but technically nothing is missed, just not shown. So the name should reflect that, something like Unseen Moment Of Awesome or Awesome Offscreen Moment.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
Tyoria Since: Jul, 2009
#3: Mar 5th 2011 at 11:33:43 PM

Isn't this the second time this has happened to this trope? This one used to be Epic Fail and wound up needing a rename for almost the exact same reason. And yes, I am seeing a fair amount of misuse as basically "They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot... Opportunity". Actually, even the subjective banner seems there to reflect that. "Action-packed offscreen moment" seems fairly objective, especially when so many examples are explicitly lampshaded.

I like Offscreen Moment of Awesome.

edited 5th Mar '11 11:41:07 PM by Tyoria

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#4: Mar 6th 2011 at 8:02:56 AM

Looks to me like the description really is "missed," though. The first couple of paragraphs (sigh), once you get through them, describes something left out altogether, not implied.

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Shale Mighty pirate! from Int'l House of Mojo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Mighty pirate!
#5: Mar 6th 2011 at 8:38:24 AM

There's also a lot of overlap with Adaptation Decay of the "they cut out my favorite scene" variety.

MetaFour Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Mar 6th 2011 at 10:11:35 AM

This one used to be Epic Fail and wound up needing a rename for almost the exact same reason.
Actually, it was renamed from Epic Fail because that was already a pre-existing term whose normal usage didn't match our trope.

Tyoria Since: Jul, 2009
#7: Mar 6th 2011 at 11:01:18 AM

[up] People taking the name at face value to arrive at a misunderstanding of the intended trope is what I was getting at. In both cases, the name fails because people think they know what it means and don't double check. In the case of a pre-existing term, they would have even less reason to think they needed a check, but still.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#8: Mar 6th 2011 at 11:03:04 AM

[up][up][up]That's just plain ol' misuse. Offscreen Moment of Awesome sounds good.

In my opinion, though, even after a cleanup, this still is probably subjective.

edited 6th Mar '11 11:03:16 AM by nrjxll

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#9: Mar 6th 2011 at 11:08:29 AM

If something is implied, but not shown, it's still in the show. Just lampshadings are more obvious about it.

Or we could drop the "awesome" part, as there are a lot of things in a show that clearly have the context of being reasonably shown, but skipped over. Like characters running off to do something, cut to a commercial, and after the break, that thing is already taken care of.

edited 6th Mar '11 11:09:38 AM by DragonQuestZ

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nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#10: Mar 6th 2011 at 12:06:11 PM

Just to help, here are some examples of misuse. (After I removed them of coarse.)

GIJoe

MissedMomentOfAwesome.Real Life

  • Sesame Street Muppeteer Carroll Spinney describes a bad encounter in his autobiography. One day, some moron drove onto his lawn, rolled down the window and yelled, "Hey! You the Bird? Do the voice!" Spinney says he wished he could yell "Get the hell off my property!" in Oscar the Grouch's voice, but instead just silently went inside in case any of his young fans were watching.

What Could Have Been seems to have this problem also.

edited 6th Mar '11 12:08:12 PM by nuclearneo577

Tyoria Since: Jul, 2009
#11: Mar 6th 2011 at 12:46:29 PM

I took a chainsaw to much of the comic book section. Also I deleted the link from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot where they call this a related trope and basically describe it as it is being misused. Oops.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#12: Mar 6th 2011 at 1:23:40 PM

I just cleaned out the Real Life page, and there was only one actual example left.

  • During the Evo 2010 Super Street Fighter IV grand final match, the online stream, being watched by over 27,000 people at the time, went out. During the final moments of the match.

I'm gonna put it back on the main and cut the subpage.

Tyoria Since: Jul, 2009
#13: Mar 6th 2011 at 1:52:46 PM

The Video Game section has now lost about 95% of its original content. WOW was that a mess.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#14: Mar 6th 2011 at 2:31:22 PM

I cleaned Western Animation. Killed 70% of it. Not as bad as the Video Game section, but close.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#15: Mar 6th 2011 at 2:34:05 PM

Should we delete all of the subpages and merge it back into the main article?

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#16: Mar 6th 2011 at 2:45:09 PM

Web Media was only one example and 3 parodys left. Good god.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#17: Mar 6th 2011 at 2:47:27 PM

If it's this bad, we can probably merge them back to one page again.

Also, if this misuse is this serious, I can definitely support a rename.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#19: Mar 6th 2011 at 3:02:55 PM

I just slapped the Theatre page on the Cut List for having two non examples. Going at Tabletop Games now.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#20: Mar 6th 2011 at 3:08:53 PM

Tabletop Games had no examples, so that is on the Cut List now.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#21: Mar 6th 2011 at 4:01:54 PM

The name implies an awesome opportunity was missed on a show, and a number of wicks use that context, but technically nothing is missed, just not shown.

In short: ya wrong.

Longer version: No. The thing can be missed out, it's not just "hiding things" it is setting up the anticipation or potential for a thing and then not having it, with no constraint on the not having it. This worry about the misuse didn't come up in the rename thread and it wasn't incorporated into the name. This doesn't mean there isn't misuse. I've probably seen "I wish this had happened" a couple more time then I should have but it is perfectly reasonable for the "anticipation" to be that it happened in the book and the let down to just be "they didn't put it in the film adaptation".

Also, "it's too short" is not a reason for cutting an established category page. Otherwise, yeah, those were not examples on the tabletop games list.

edited 6th Mar '11 4:07:10 PM by SomeSortOfTroper

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#22: Mar 6th 2011 at 4:10:28 PM

[up]Real Life had one example that was put back on the main page, how is that not too short?

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Mar 6th 2011 at 4:33:17 PM

In that the decision for making a page for a category is "Do we have the category?" and the length doesn't matter.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#24: Apr 8th 2011 at 12:03:44 PM

Poke. Any ideas what to do?

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#25: Jun 21st 2011 at 5:13:26 PM

Double poke. Can we get a rename crowner?


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