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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#1: Mar 3rd 2011 at 4:07:16 PM

AT&T Denied Personhood (Thank God) and told they are not exempt form the Freedom of Information Act.

One less power token in the pockets of big business.

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#2: Mar 3rd 2011 at 4:11:54 PM

If the court is just going to deny corporations rights, why did they give them rights in the first place? The SC is weird right now.

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
DUMB
#3: Mar 3rd 2011 at 4:14:40 PM

Corporate personhood as a concept is more than a hundred years old.

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#4: Mar 3rd 2011 at 4:28:50 PM

If you actually read the decision, AT&T sued for privacy protection after several other companies tried to use the Freedom of Information Act to acquire sensitive propriatary information about AT&T's new technology. That information is protected by privacy concerns, but in all other ways, no company counts as a person for privacy rules.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#5: Mar 3rd 2011 at 4:41:14 PM

So other companies are trying to use Fo IA for corporate espionage?

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#6: Mar 3rd 2011 at 4:41:19 PM

I could care less about why they sued for privacy. I think companies need less of it in the first place. The General public even if it includes competitors should be allowed to peak in and keep an eye on companies.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#7: Mar 3rd 2011 at 6:55:40 PM

If the court is just going to deny corporations rights, why did they give them rights in the first place? The SC is weird right now.

Because most of big business has abused the shit out of those rights in dishonest ways, and I don't think everything they do have as a right was necessarily intended, it was mostly so one individual didn't take the fall in the event of a law suit.

BlackHumor Unreliable Narrator from Zombie City Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Mar 3rd 2011 at 7:20:19 PM

I think the SC's logic is that a group of people has all the rights its members have, but it's not actually a person and doesn't get rights to, say, not have it's "personal privacy" violated because since it's not a person it has no personal privacy.

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
DUMB
#9: Mar 3rd 2011 at 7:21:50 PM

So other companies are trying to use FOIA for corporate espionage?

Well now if they do it can be turned right back.

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Ratix from Someplace, Maryland Since: Sep, 2010
#10: Mar 4th 2011 at 10:08:29 AM

[up][up] I've always been profoundly confused about the notion of corporations being counted as a person, mostly because I have no idea what that even entails. Can a corporation run for public office? I know it sounds silly but when people talk about corporations having personhood, that's honestly the first thing that comes to mind and it's both laughable and terrifying at the same time.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#11: Mar 4th 2011 at 10:10:30 AM

[up] Yeah, it's called lobbying.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Mar 4th 2011 at 10:46:37 AM

According to The Other Wiki corporate personhood arose so that corporations could engage in contracts.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#13: Mar 4th 2011 at 11:19:59 AM

Oh fuck.

Electronic Arts might run for President.

With his evil running mate... Nintendo.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#14: Mar 4th 2011 at 11:23:02 AM

^ Sony. Nintendo would be the opposing Presidential candidate since they slap around publishers like EA.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#15: Mar 4th 2011 at 11:25:05 AM

Activision however will be the extremely rich backer up who is the one who secretly runs the show.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#16: Mar 4th 2011 at 12:28:30 PM

[up][up] Nintendo couldn't run for president... He wasn't born in America (nor does he have American parents).  There is no rule though

That information is protected by privacy concerns, but in all other ways, no company counts as a person for privacy rules.

Doesn't this mean that, even though AT&T isn't a person, AT&T is protected by FOIA because the info is private? I'm confused...

edited 4th Mar '11 12:33:47 PM by Swish

Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
DUMB
#17: Mar 4th 2011 at 12:29:54 PM

I'm confused as to why they can't just call it a trade secret and be done with that.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#19: Mar 4th 2011 at 1:09:43 PM

There is no rule though That he couldn't be vice-president, have the president killed, and be president that way. The rules used to be that the VP was the closest loser for president. When it was changed, the "President can't be a naturalized citizen, but the vice-president can... So be that and have the president die" loophole was created.

Actually, there is.

no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#20: Mar 4th 2011 at 6:28:34 PM

Doesn't this mean that, even though AT&T isn't a person, AT&T is protected by FOIA because the info is private? I'm confused... - Swish
AT&T is partially protected. Trade secrets and similar propietary information cannot be divulged by the government under FOIA, but any other information can be. AT&T was basically attempting to use corporate personhood to get immunity from FOIA and keep everything private.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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